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Old 01-13-2002, 07:18 PM   #1
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This is a painting I'm working on right now. My father died 2 years ago. To honor him, I'm trying to make his portrait. My question is how to paint glasses?

Also I have a little trouble doing the background. What I'm trying to accomplish is to make two flags blending into one. On the left you see the Dutch flag, and on the right the Turkish flag. My father is a symbol of two united countries living in peace together. But I don't want the background to compete with the portrait. That's why I tempered it with a little bit of brown. But I'm not quite happy about it. What do you think?
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Old 01-13-2002, 07:29 PM   #2
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You can read some things about painting glasses in this topic:

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Old 01-13-2002, 08:57 PM   #3
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This is an interesting treatment, with the flags and their import in your father's history. (I immediately wished I'd started painting 20 years ago, so that I might have painted my father's portrait before he died 10 years ago.)

A couple of things struck me about the present layout. The white stripe in the flag to the left competes with the lighted side of the face; you've tried to push that stripe back by glazing over it and though that doesn't keep us from "seeing" that it's a white stripe, there may be other ways of handling it. Second, the horns of the crescent seem to emanate from the portrait subject's head, probably an unfortunate juxtaposition.

Though you may have trouble covering the red (looks like alizarin) on the right, one possible solution might be to reverse the flags, so that the dark of the Turkish flag is against the lighted side of the face, and the white stripe is against the shadow side of the figure. You'll be able to retain the "true" colours of the flags (a little alizarin showing through the white might actually be very effective), while setting up the kind of contrast in value that suggests depth. Another possible set-up is to have the flags hanging on poles (the "indoor" kind), though I admit I'm having a little trouble visualizing how to best handle that. You're a little constrained by space in this case. But this sort of arrangement could still include, while de-emphasizing, the crescent, star, and stripes.)

Speaking of values, right now the brightest, most "attract-ive" shape in the portrait is the collar of the shirt. That, more than the flags, is competing with the face for attention. I'd suggest toning down the collar, and bringing up the higher values on the face, looking especially for the exact location and shape of the highlights. Observe, too, the RELATIVE values of shapes in the same family; for example, the value of the light above the eye on the right (from the viewer's perspective) is probably not nearly as high as the highlight on the forehead, and the transition between that light and the shadow in the temple area wouldn't be nearly that abrupt. (Photographs will make that dark shadowy area look darker than it "should" be, and perhaps also wash out the light to look brighter than IT "should" be; working from photographs requires some learned disbelief in what you're seeing.)

I'll let Cynthia's reference sort out the painting of glasses (I would only mention that Burton Silverman happens to paint a subject's glasses in his video "Breaking the Rules" in Oil.) From a drawing perspective, I would suggest having a look at the glasses for a different reason: they're virtually horizontal, as is a line between the centers of the eyes -- yet the head is slightly inclined toward the left side of the painting. Cover up the eyes and note where the bottoms of the frames sit on the cheeks, respectively. They are quite notably higher, as is the eye itself, on the left side.

One last observation, on the nose. The light shape on the tip of the nose probably comes around too far to the right side (again, from the viewer's perspective), which tends to enlarge and turn toward us that part of the structure. Also, the arc of shadow above the wing of the nostril on the right side is a bit too dark -- it too severely separates contiguous areas of the nose.

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Old 01-14-2002, 11:26 AM   #4
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Hello Hülya,

This is a portrait of my father.
My father died 14 years ago.
I painted it Nov. 2000.
Maybe from same motives of yours.
My father was also wearing glasses.

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Old 01-14-2002, 01:55 PM   #5
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Dear Steven,

Thank you for your detailed advice. This is very helpful for me. You're right about reversing the flags. I'll put the Turkish flag on the left and the Dutch flag on the right for better contrast. I hadn't thought about that. Thank you for the wonderful ideas.
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Old 01-14-2002, 02:15 PM   #6
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Dear Yoshiharu,

Wow! What a terrific portrait you have made of your father. I wish I could paint like that...
Thank you for showing this painting to me, so I have a guideline on how to paint glasses.
And I love the way you have painted your daughter too (I saw it on another topic on this forum).
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