View Poll Results: Do you like this portrait of Queen Elizabeth by Lucian Freud?
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partially
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12-23-2001, 01:59 PM
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Well, it resembles her, but that's about all I have good to say about it. It actually takes a woman who is not known for her "beauty" and makes her uglier than a gargoyle!
It is within the Portrait Artist's realm to bring out the attractivness that all of us possess in one way or another. Of course, one may argue that that reflects personal taste more than artistic quality. But for my money, if I were being painted, I wouldn't want to be remembered like that! So, I guess I am saying this was not painted with good taste. Or as the British would say...."not my cup of tea!"
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12-23-2001, 06:33 PM
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Oh My
Although I'm a fan of texture in a painting, this is going too far. Marta's right, not very flattering.
However, I do like the crown.
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12-23-2001, 07:38 PM
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Here's a quote from Lucian Freud that I found on the Internet. Looks like he changed his mind about only doing heads:
Normally I underplay facial expression when painting the figure, because I want expression to emerge through the body. I used to do only heads, but came to feel that I relied too much on the face. I want the head, as it were, to be more like another limb.
- Lucian Freud, quoted by Michael Kimmelman (found at Constable.net)
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12-24-2001, 09:31 AM
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If I didn't know anything about painter or subject - I could draw the following conclusions.
1. The painter's opinion of the sitter's character is quite low (expression is one of holding one's breath almost in anger).
2. The artist did the piece quickly, and had no love for his own work, like my daughter rushing through homework. (eyes don't match up or anything).
3. Going out on a limb, considering I just read the thread about artist using photos. It looks very much like a cropped photo of an action group shot I've seen somewhere in the grocery store check out lane (was that tooooo harsh).
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12-25-2001, 07:00 PM
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SOG Member FT Pro 35 yrs
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It's very difficult for a portrait painter to respond to a portrait painted by someone who principally is not a conventional portrait artist. If I were a prominate personage such as the Queen who already has a collection of conventional portraits, I might very well want a version by the likes of Freud, Warhol, Modigliani, etc. They are buying "Fine Art" (for historical or investment considerations) where the artist uses the sitter as a reference point from which to do the kind of thing that fits their style and form of expression which may or may not be concerned with revealing anything about the subject. For this reason I am at a loss to understand what the painting accomplishes that would require as much as 70 sittings. While I see some merit in the painting as a work of art, it is difficult to understand why he pursued this commission other than selfish gain/fame.
In any event with the stir that it has caused may gain the conventional portrait community more attention then would ever have been generated otherwise. I won't be surprised to see a lot of follow up press on portraiture.
Are we looking at the full painting? I would like to know the size of the painting as well.
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12-26-2001, 12:04 AM
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He should have painted a queen, not a drag queen.
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12-26-2001, 12:16 PM
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Jim,
According to the articles, it is a small painting, only 6 x 9 inches, so we are seeing the whole thing. Also, per the articles, it was a gift from Lucian and not a commission.
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12-27-2001, 08:14 PM
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#9
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FT Pro, Mem SOG,'08 Cert Excellence PSA, '02 Schroeder Portrait Award Copley Soc, '99 1st Place PSA, '98 Sp Recognition Washington Soc Portrait Artists, '97 1st Prize ASOPA, '97 Best Prtfolio ASOPA
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A travesty of Her Majesty
Heavens! The Queen actually agreed to sit for this unflattering and clownish portrait?
Good publicity stunt though...way to go Lucien!
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12-28-2001, 01:14 AM
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Associate Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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What a wonderful painting - if it were inside the cover of Rolling Stone!!
I only hope he wasnt trying for a flattering look, like we portrait artists always try to do.
I'll give it its due on artistic merit, but none as a portrait.
Can you imagine giving someone a gift that essentially says, 'this is how ugly you are!' (not that I'm saying the Queen is ugly, just that this painting would make her appear so)
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