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Old 08-26-2003, 02:34 PM   #1
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This is a painting I recently finished for a Family Friend. It was a special project since he was killed in a car crash when he was only 15 years old. Any advice to make the painting stronger would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 08-26-2003, 02:37 PM   #2
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A closer view of the face.
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Old 08-26-2003, 03:51 PM   #3
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I think you've rendered the face well, though I wonder about the shadow on the lighted side of his face.

Was he wearing his dad's suit in the reference photo? It looks like his clothes are much too large for him. This could be symbolic of the boy who never got to grow into manhood (is that what you intended? If not, feel free to use it).

That reminds me of one of my favorite Norman Rockwell illustrations. It was made after the war. The young GI was back home in his old bedroom, surrounded by his kid stuff, and trying on his old clothes. The clothes were at least two sizes too small. I was really touched by the thought that so many young boys grew into manhood on the battlefield. The painting was lighthearted, as Rockwell's paintings tend to be, but I was touched by the imagery.
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Old 08-26-2003, 06:35 PM   #4
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Bryan, you're doing a fine job with a very difficult photo; is it a school photo? The dark values are clumped together; establish what the darkest values in the subject are (probably hair and eyes) and work up from there. For example, the shadows around the edge of the neck ought to be somewhat lighter in value than the hair, though you may not be able to tell this from your photo. Ditto for the shadow in the left ear.

Try to build some three dimensionality in his hair by adding subtle lights and highlights where the flash hits it.

A couple of drawing points: I think that right ear might be too small. Also, the edge of the left neck edge is concave where it should be either straight or convex.

I agree with Jeff about the suit. You might try looking at another boy's class photo (similar lighting) for another suit.

Good luck with this and keep us posted. All your hard work will be treasured for years. My condolences to this boy's family.
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Old 08-26-2003, 11:27 PM   #5
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The boy's neck appears too long to me. The knot of the tie would rest at or slightly above the hollow of the neck, and that should be about one third of a head height below the chin. Instead, the distance is at least half a head height. I read this as a long neck; I think it may have contributed to Jeff's interpretation of oversize clothing slipping down.
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Old 08-27-2003, 08:45 AM   #6
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Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. The suit was in fact his fathers'. He grew up in the Great Depression era and his family didn't have much money, so he used his dad's suit for the picture. Actually the picture I used was a 2x3 inch black and white photograph, which made it more difficult to paint. I do think that the neck is too long, now that I compare the painting to the photo. I will adapt the suggestions here to complete the portrait and to make it stronger. Again, many thanks.

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Old 08-27-2003, 08:49 AM   #7
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Here is the reference photo used.
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Old 08-27-2003, 03:12 PM   #8
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After reading Chuck's post, I used my "country calipers" to measure the neck. That's no illusion, The neck is definitely much longer than in the photo. But I still see the body as over-sized. The left shoulder (his right) extends much farther on the painting.

Bryan, would you consider calling this a study and starting fresh? You've done a pretty nice job here, but you could take the lessons learned on this version to perfect the final piece. This young man has such a pleasant face, I'd like to see it developed to its potential.
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Bryan,

Well, I think the reference bears out some of the posted comments and concerns.

A few things:

I think you can easily
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Just another couple of quick notes.

The shadow in the [what?] (the dent in the middle of the upper lip between the nose and mouth) is too dark, which is suggesting a much deeper and more angular form than is in the photo.

Also, get some (a little, not a lot) warmer color into the lips. The bottom lip looks almost white. The top lip, not in direct light, should be considerably darker in value. (I'm not saying "should" as a rule, I'm taking a reading from this particular photo in this particular lighting.)

I hope it was clear in the earlier illustration that when the shirt collar and shoulder line go up, so does the collar button and necktie knot and lapel cut and everything else.

By the way, a REAL tough job having to invent color from a monochromatic photo. But you can probably pull it off.
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