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Old 11-30-2002, 11:33 AM   #1
Margaret Port Margaret Port is offline
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How can I make black fabric interesting?




It seems that every portrait I contemplate has the person wearing black in some form. Assuming I am underpainting and glazing, what approach can I take to prevent the clothing looking dead? I usually can only pick up greyish highlights, not colours and if I make too much of them the fabric looks faded. This is an ongoing problem because I seem to like to paint musicians (who always wear black).
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Old 11-30-2002, 12:43 PM   #2
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I'd set up a still life with a piece of black cloth, maybe a bottle of red wine, and another dark object, light it and then do a charcoal study to explore your values, and a fast, small oil study to explore your colors.
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Old 11-30-2002, 02:40 PM   #3
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Margaret,

I suppose it depends a lot on the surface and type of black fabric it is, the kind of light it is in, as well as what other colors might be around it.

Some fabrics are shiny, others very flat. A black cotton T-shirt is a very soft surface and does not reflect much, compared to black satin, which is shiny and very reflective. Also, is the light warm or cool? Not all blacks are the same in color, either. Some blacks are bluish, others are made from a deep red. (That is why some black fabrics get pinkish if bleached or as they fade.) Sometimes this underlying local color shows, other times not.

So you must try to see the colors in the black. Coming from me, it may sound strange but if you are having a problem seeing anything but black and grays, try scanning a photo and in Photoshop (or the image editor of your choice) boost the saturation to the maximum; you will then exaggerate the colors. You might start to see violets or reds in the black, or depending on the lighting, maybe blues or even greens. Now of course, if you are working from life, you will have to just look hard. You can always count on other strong colors to reflect their color onto others.

When painting from life, another trick I use is to look at the flesh tones as a guide for the colors of my painting. I look in the reflected light on the skin under the chin: is it warm or cool? Also, look at the highlight on the skin: is it bluish or yellowish? I simplify it like this: if the highlight is yellowish, my shadows will lean toward purples. (Complement of yellow.) And if my highlights are cool or bluish (as they are in north light most of the time), then my shadows will be warm. (Orange is the complement of blue.) It is easier to see these colors on white or the light skin tone than on the black, but if you use this as a guide when painting the black, it will help. If the highlight on the skin is bluish then you can't go too wrong to paint all the highlights bluish. If the shadows are warm, then paint all the shadows warm. Now this is simplified, since any number of things can affect the light and shadows to make this completely wrong, but it is a start. Also I could also give you a bunch of formulas (mix this and that to make blacks), but that would not cover all situations; in fact it would only cover one situation at best.

Another piece of advice, or rule, I was given once (and soon disposed of) was never use a black at all and mix all your darks from other colors. Now it is true that you can get black from mixing dark reds and blues, or dark greens and red. But I figure if Sargent could use Ivory black, I can too, and I just mix colors with it to further warm it or cool it as needed.( Ivory black is already a cool black.) I hope I helped, but really there is no secret that covers all cases and all types of black fabric.

Just as a guide, I try to give you the most common case I run into. Since the lighting in my studio is a cool light, many times I encounter the same situation, so I mix blacks the same a lot. (Of course this is a starting point, since as I said, all fabrics are not the same.) I use Alizarin, Ivory Black and maybe some Viridian in the darkest areas; of course the mix varies. In the highlights, I use Cerulean Blue or Ultramarine - again, it depends on the fabric. Again, I use the colors in my skin tones as a guide. I might neutralize the colors on soft fabrics with a mix of Burnt Umber and white added to this mix to make a warm gray. Sometimes, I find I just cannot get the color I want in a single application of paint. Sometimes, if the black is very deep, I start with a deep complement to the final color, then glaze the final color over it. This is true of other dark colors as well. For a dark burgundy I may start with a dark brown in the darkest areas, and then use the local color over that. I may even use Raw Umber in place of Ivory black, depending on the black.

I don't know why, but I always set out to answer these questions yet end up with a very long post and never really feel I have covered it, or even answered the question. I think Nelson Shanks said it best when asked what colors he uses in flesh tones. He answered, "Do you have 2 years? I will tell you." Meaning that no two flesh tones were the same so you can't mix them using a formula. I think that is true of anything. You can try, as Helen Van Wyk did, to come up with color recipes and these can help as a starting point. But in the end, they fail to cover every situation, and it does not take long before you find you are not happy with the results. Maybe someone else has a better answer. I need to go back and study this more
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Old 11-30-2002, 09:43 PM   #4
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Michael has posted very good points about fabric.

The first thing I do, is set up for the fabric, observing how that piece plays with light. The color is the frosting.

John Hagan has a good section of how various fabrics behave at a site titled "The Magic of Painting". I believe Virgil Elliot corroborated in the chapter. Hagan is also a very entertaining instructor. Check out http://www.geocities.com/~jlhagan/

Enjoy.
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Old 12-03-2002, 01:53 PM   #5
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I second Mari's statement. Paint an eggplant on a black satin cloth. It will be a mind-expanding exercise!
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Old 01-10-2003, 02:52 PM   #6
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Value and Color

Hello,

I am new to the list, so I hope that you don't mind if I post an answer to this.

Ben Konis told us that it doesn't matter what color that you paint something as long as the value is correct.

So, when I paint something black, then the darkest values can be either be blue-black, green-black, or red-black. These are mixed in the brush together of course, and then as the value of the black lightens into the highlight area, all you do is reflect some of the color in the rest of the painting, making sure that the value is correct; you will produce beautiful and interesting and integrated or contrasted and reflected results.
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