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Old 12-01-2005, 06:43 PM   #11
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Tom, you're right. I shouldn't paint when I'm tired. I KNOW that. I was just going to fix the line of the eye, you know? That was it, but something happened. I was possessed, I guess, and all hell broke loose! I will remember this, believe me.

Joan, I started painting when I was a kid. I got married at 16 and didn't paint another picture for 24 years! I've been painting steadily for the last five years and I'm not giving it up again. I'm having a very hard time in that I'm in a university art program and I was hoping they were going to teach me how to paint. Well, they don't do that. So, I'm struggling with every stroke. I graduate next spring, (if I weren't so close to the finish line, I'd quit), then I hope to have time to take some real painting classes. I've come to realize nobody is going to hand me anything, but it does seem it would be a little less torturous, if I had a little guidance. Thank God for this site. Anyway, I don't suspect I'll give up anytime soon. If it were easy, I'd have given it up a long time ago.

Michele, there are things to keep you awake, but I doubt they're legal, or that what you painted while under such influences would be much different than Mr. Freud's "Queen Elizabeth!"

Kim - there's something wrong with you, but it works, so keep on keeping on!
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Old 12-01-2005, 07:02 PM   #12
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Kim - there's something wrong with you
Im pretty sure I have heard that before. Many times.
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Old 12-02-2005, 01:55 AM   #13
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Kimber, I was on vacation when you started this thread, but I hope you were able to pull things back together in time for your class?

Some of my best and worst painting has been done in the middle of the night -- Can't trust my judgement after 2am... but sometimes things will click then. . . (I've been having to do a lot less re-work without so many all night painting jags! ) Having a good painting day or not, for me, seems to have a lot to do with mood and focus. Some days are 'on' and things just happen right. . . On those days I try to get as much painting in as possible on the more important areas of the painting. On days when things are just not clicking -- because of distractions or for whatever reason-- it might not be such a 'good' painting day... but working on less taxing areas (like background areas away from the focal point) or just walking away and taking care of laundry or non-painting errands, like ordering supplies, can help to keep it from becoming a bad painting day.
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Old 12-02-2005, 08:34 AM   #14
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First, is there some kind of compulsive illness that causes one to take a perfectly good painting and destroy it?
Sure. It's called hurrying to meet a deadline.

Slow down. Be deliberate with every stroke. Be sure to back up and check what you've done, and think about what you're going to do next.

Most likely, you stayed up close, and what you were doing looked great from a foot away. It wasn't until you stepped back and evaluated your progress as a whole that you noticed what you'd done. (As you can probably tell, I learned this the hard way. )

If you haven't read it - get Alla Prima by Richard Schmid. He has some really terrific advice. One thing that might be relevant to you, given your monday deadline, is that it's better to have an unfinished painting in which the parts that are done are done correctly, than to have a finished painting with parts that are wrong.

Good luck!

(Any chance you'll show us the gill-faced painting? )
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:27 AM   #15
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Kimber,


Ive learned that life is like the practice of Hatha yoga, ( a practice of holding poses which increase flexibility and limber your spine thereby giving you more energy). I can be sooo limber once day, then all of a sudden I hit some kind of wall, I wake up and find I cannot touch my toes anymore! In Hatha Yoga they encourage you to be patient, pull back a bit, but never stop the practive, and know that what is happening is a growth period which will allow your body more flexibility once you have moved through it.

I've learned that this applies to everything in my life! When I am experiencing what feels like a set-back, it is really a moving through the fog into the light of new knowlege and ability.

You have grown a great deal as an artist in the past couple years. It has been fun to witness here on the forum. Trust the process, do not succumb to fear, and you will be feeling brilliant again soon. I promise!!!
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:52 PM   #16
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Interesting topic Kimber, and one most of us here can relate to. I am just thankful I don't have deadlines because I never know when I'm going to have those "moments of clarity" or how long they will last.
Sometimes, I can go into the studio and see exactly what needs to be done - and for 10 minutes I can sculpt perfectly, effortlessly, at lightning speed - such a wonderful feeling. Then of course, I get distracted, lose my focus and later try to force that clarity when it's "time" to sculpt. Never fails that I then spend the next 15 hours straight, methodically destroying my piece, causing myself a ton of rework until I'm so frustrated I can't even look at the piece and I leave the room in disgust. If I would only sculpt during those few moments of crystal clarity, I could get so much more done!
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:06 AM   #17
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Sure. It's called hurrying to meet a deadline.

Slow down. Be deliberate with every stroke. Be sure to back up and check what you've done, and think about what you're going to do next.

(Any chance you'll show us the gill-faced painting? )
Deliberation... what a concept! You're right. I was hurrying and I wasn't thinking - at all. I was on auto-pilot. If I had been in a plane, they'd be picking my body parts up from around the Himalayas about now.

And, no, you can't see gill-face. She's gone. I spent 6 hours on her yesterday. She is still in rough shape, but she can't breathe under water anymore!

Patricia, Thanks for the advice. It makes a lot of sense.

Heidi, too bad we don't know when we're headed for disaster before we get there. If we did, we could call somebody to talk us down, or something - some kind of "Artists in Crisis" hotline. I can see it now, a man with a bullhorn yelling, "Put the brush down! Step away from the canvas! (Or, clay...) Everything's going to be alright." Instead it's like spontaneous human combustion, before we know what happened, our work is a pile of ashes and so are we. Oh well... working through the forensics seems to be the only way to try to avoid disaster in the future.
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:11 AM   #18
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Yes, I also tend to be compulsive about painting, to the detriment of housework, grocery shopping, and being on time for other things.

About the self portrait--recently I've been painting several small ones just to paint from life, but then I attempted a larger one to enter in the PSA competition. I noticed that the pressure of the deadline tempted me to rush decisions. One day I narrowly avoided going too far with the light value. I had to make myself slow down and consider every stroke, every color, every move I made. I find when I give myself time to stare at the painting I'm working on and think carefully about where I want to go with certain things, or how the value relationships are working, or whether I really need to wipe out an area that I've been fussing with and start fresh, then I do a lot better.

There's something about painting yourself that can be nervewracking if you know other people are going to see it. If it's just for yourself, it's so much easier to not fuss over it.
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Old 12-05-2005, 05:44 PM   #19
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Yuck, I've been there

Hi Kimber

Wow, do I know the feeling of watching a perfectly good painting desinagrate before your eyes. I have found this so frustrating in the past that I actually wrote down some steps that I can take that will help dig me out of the hole. I have posted these in a binder where I can look them up easily. I find that by writing it down I can refer back to a more logical self. Hope this helps!

Step 1. Take a digital photograph of the painting and put it on adobe photoshop then use abobe to paint on the image and make any changes you need. This way you are free to make all the radical corrections you like without doing harm to your canvas. Once you have the image corrected turn the easel to the monitor and make the adjustments.

Step 2. Walk away! Turn the painting to the wall and do not look at it for at least a week. Then you will have a fresh perspective.

Step 3 Get a critique from a trusted artist friend. Your good friends will give you an honest appraisel and suggestions to correct your errors. Sometimes its not as bad as you think. (Sometimes it is and needs to be trashed)

Step 4. Learn different ways to create a painting. If you start a painting one way and it is not working then approach it using a different technique. If you massed in the painting and its not working then wipe down and draw it in and block out the values. Perhaps defining the sharpest edge and working from that point outward. If you are painting alla prima then try working out the values then glazing. By using different methods of painting you can jog your brain to see correctly.

Step 5. Even the best artists make a lot of bad art. Give yourself permission to mess up. I am much kinder to my students than I am to myself in critque and think I would do better to treat myself as a student.

Step 6. If all else fails, It is the process not the product. Never be afraid to start over or wipe down.


Sorry to sound like a self-help guru but we are often too close to our own artwork and need to find a way to gain perspective.

Good luck, Vianna
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Old 12-05-2005, 06:09 PM   #20
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Vianna, those are wonderful suggestions that will be helpful for us all when we have a bad painting day. Thanks so much for posting them.

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