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Old 07-17-2007, 08:00 PM   #1
Linda Ciallelo Linda Ciallelo is offline
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Linda:

I strongly urge you to try the following flesh palette for it's simplicity, effectiveness, and ease of set up.

Lay out a string of grays starting with black, and add white in steps until you have seven to nine values.

Lay out WN Alizarin Crimson Perm., starting full strength and lighten with white to match the values of black in the row above.

Lay out your yellow string with straight burnt umber (Old Holland is best), and lighten with yellow ocher until a middle value, which is pure yellow ocher, and then lightend the remainder of the string with white to match the strings above.

With a little practice, you should be able to hit 99% of your flesh color needs with this palette.

FYI: You can get greens from the yO and grays; purples and violets from the alizarin and gray mixes. Obviously greens temper or neutralize red. Violets go nicely around the eyes, and a dull green underpainting serves the lower half of men's faces. Of course, most of the ivory black/white mixes will read as blue when used as is.

Lay out the strings horizontaly, but work vertically . . . that is, if working from the third lightest value, select reds, yellow or grays from the third vertical row. This will keep all of your values the same. Try it. You'lll catch on quickly.

Lemme know how it works.
Do I know you? Where can I see a sample of your work? I thank you for your advice but I'm happy with what I'm doing now. I know how to mix colors. I've been painting in mediums other than oil since 1964.
The colors that I have settled with are also the colors that Zorn settled with. I'm in good company with my choices and my methods.
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:17 PM   #2
Sharon Knettell Sharon Knettell is offline
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The Blob Palette

or The Aerobic Palette

I have tried quite a few. This is what I use at present.

Studio Products:
Optical White
Pyrollo Ruby
Vermilion

Micheal Harding:
Naples Yellow Light Genuine
Yellow Ochre
Burnt Sienna
Raw Umber
Ivory Black
Ultramarine
Viridian
Occasionally Cobalt Violet and Cadmium Red Light

Maimeri Puro:
Crimson Lake #174

I found that working from life I mix the colors to go with the tone and lighting conditions present. That means running back and forth with my paint knife matching the color to whatever I want to paint. This makes for a lot of indistinguishable blobs and a great deal of too-ing and fro-ing.

Linda, how does the Doak Vermilion compare to the SP in color. I like the Harding for texture and the Sp for color. The SP is a bit too stiff.
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Old 07-19-2007, 08:55 AM   #3
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I've never had the opportunity to paint from life. Perhaps some day.

I bought a bunch of SP paints but not the vermilion. Doaks vermilion is quite oily, as are all his paints.Perhaps the oiliness of Doaks vermilion makes it easier to handle since it is such a strong color. I tried the other SP colors but have become accustomed to the texture of the Williamsburg. I also have tried Old Holland, Holbein, Daniel Smith, W&N, and Ozog, as well as several others. I keep coming back to Williamsburg. I don't however have Williamsburg's vermilion. I would like to try Michael Harding and Vasari at some point.
I am presently in love with the Williamsburg flake white. I've had it for several years but am just now figuring out how to use it. Good brushes help immensely. I am using the Escoda synthetic Mongoose called Tadami filberts. Series 4060. I love them.
I have traded in my wax medium for the flake white. It's use being quite similar. This is the kind of color that I'm into now. Here is yesterday's dabbling.
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:15 AM   #4
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Just Exquisite!

You have your own kind of color sense that adds to your style.

I had to get away from photos as my paintings came out sorta grey and dim.

I love the wax medium for large backgrounds I want to keep matte without the color sinking in.

Actually the Williamsburg Vermilion is the same color as the SP, but it handles like the Harding.

Is the Williamsburg Flake White stiff? I have been finding the Harding Flake rather too hard.

I like the SP Optical White because it does not lower the chroma, especially is I need to lighten a red, but my palette is not as quiet as your is. The beauty of the Optical White is that when you use it, the colors do not sink in as they do with Flake White./ I haven't had to use retouch varnish at all.

Linda, what is the texture behind your painting. It is a panel you made yourself?
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:30 AM   #5
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You have your own kind of color sense that adds to your style.

I had to get away from photos as my paintings came out sorta grey and dim.

I love the wax medium for large backgrounds I want to keep matte without the color sinking in.

Actually the Williamsburg Vermilion is the same color as the SP, but it handles like the Harding.

Is the Williamsburg Flake White stiff? I have been finding the Harding Flake rather too hard.

I like the SP Optical White because it does not lower the chroma, especially is I need to lighten a red, but my palette is not as quiet as your is. The beauty of the Optical White is that when you use it, the colors do not sink in as they do with Flake White./ I haven't had to use retouch varnish at all.

Linda, what is the texture behind your painting. It is a panel you made yourself?
Sharon, The Williamsburg flake white is not stiff at all. It's very stringy. I slap it on and use a lot of it. I am leaving lots of texture. It's use with colors is almost transparent and it dries shiney and quickly(over night).
It's 40$ for the large tube at Dick Blick so it's not cheap.

Yes I have become accustomed to making my own panels. I find others expensive and disappointing. It takes me a few days to make up a bunch of panels. The texture you see is lead white primer thinned down with OMS, or turps, and applied with a small house painting brush. I make no attempt to smooth the strokes. I like the strokes. There are two layers of primer showing. You are also seeing texture from the flake white that I applied in my first layer of color.

The thing that I am mostly thinking about now is the Rembrandt and Freud method of making lots of texture with the lead /flake or cremnitz white and then rubbing thin layers of color into the heavy texture making broken color. It's working well and I'm loving it. :-)
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Old 07-22-2007, 06:13 PM   #6
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Linda,

I find I am using less and less earth tones. I am always wanting to add a bit of blue, a tad of yellow, a smutch of red, well you know the drill: so I found the earth tones sitting on my palette unused, except for yellow ochre, raw umber and burnt sienna.
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yes, I seem to be wanting to build a structure of perhaps lead white , black, red(not sure which red yet, maybe burnt sienna), and yellow ochre, maybe some umbers, and then scrub the color into the texture. I don't know yet. More experiments yet to do. It's not totally a monochrome grisaille but a toned down version of what the painting will be after I scrub in the little bits of oily color where it needs it, after the structure is in place and no major changes are needed.
I should try the cremnitz white,burnt sienna, yellow ochre, ivory black thing for awhile and see what turns up.
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PS. I was using the Pyrelene crimson quite a bit in this. So my colors are very similiar to yours Sharon. One good thing about using these particular colors is that one can find them in almost any brand in case they are discontinued.
I guess it narrows down to a bright warm red, a cool crimson, a red brown, a yellow brown, yellow ochre, naples yellow, ivory black, viridian, and possibly a warm blue and ultramarine. I have always been intending to get some cobalt violet. I've never tried that. I know Richard Schmid uses that a lot. If I were to teach a class these are the colors I would choose. However most of the painting can be done in red, yellow , black and white. If I were doing landscape or sunlit still life I would add some cadmium yellows .
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