Bargue Plate 5

Paul Foxton · 10-06-2006, 04:27 AM

Mischa, that's interesting you don't recommend using tracings to check. The book recommends it, I tried it on my last ears from plate 4 (after I'd finished them, not during, I think that's important) and found it quite instructive because it showed me how out I could be yet still think it was right to my eye - in short, how much eye training I still have to do.

I'm not arguing, I'm going to follow your instructions to the letter on this, just curious why you'd recommend not doing it?

By the way, had to work late last night so couldn't get started. Hopefully this evening.

Mischa Milosevic · 10-06-2006, 05:14 AM

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> My reasoning is this.When drawing from life, like the cast or live model, we will not have a tracing paper to use. It is best not to use it now rather push one self, our mind, our eye to see the mistakes. Measuring with a string should be enough to meashure and check. Can you see the beniffit? In the next category of exercises, there wont be a actual taped down plumb line, on the copy, all the time, to work from, only a imaginery plumb line. A plimb line that one will place visualise the point from which to measure and measure.
As for the tracing paper exercise. This principle can be used for shape exercises. Draw a shape, simple at first, then attempt to reproduce it perfectly. Give your self three checks with a tracing paper. The ear exercises, and such, can be used but it is better to draw shapes of sort. This way you are not atemting to make something look like a ear or an eye rather to make it exactly like the shape.

Paul Foxton · 10-19-2006, 04:11 PM

Hi Mischa,

Sorry for the delay, life has been a bit busy.

I've changed the set up now, sliced off the top schematic so I can move it up the drawing board, taped down the plumb line (I thought it sensible to use the vertical supplied) and drawn a corresponding vertical on my paper. I've checked that the board is level with a spirit level.

The plan is to give this about two hours per night, so it may take a little while. I'll give it more if I can find the time. Here's a pic of the current set up, hope you approve:

Mischa Milosevic · 10-19-2006, 04:50 PM

I visited your web page and saw that you have a lot of different art projects in the works. I have also noticed a lot of improvement especially in the last while. Your charcoal value studies are excellent and your one color studies are up there as well.

As for the Bargue exercises they are amassing teachers if only they are executed correctly. Many artists of today even some academy trained artists still have not fully grasped the value of th Bargue plates. I will give you a hint. The extent and the benefit you will understand if you complete the exercises properly. Four plates, that is all, and your minds eye will see thing you never thought possible.

Your set up looks good. Start of first by marking the top of the fut and the bottom. I stress the importance of these first marks to be level with the original copy. Why? Because later on when you glance back and forth from drawing to the copy this will help you to see if you are of or not. If the alignment is off, in the setup, then your mind needs to adjust in order for you to see your mistakes. I think you know this but for the benefit of others I have tried to explain the importance.

Good speed but precision is better.

Paul Foxton · 10-19-2006, 07:00 PM

Thanks Mischa, that's very encouraging to hear. The Bargue drawings I've done so far have undoubtedly taught me much already, I'm hoping this thread will help me to get to the next level with them. Thanks again for being so generous with your time.

Just so I'm clear - are these first top and bottom points drawn across say with a ruler and a spirit level, to make sure that they are absolutely accurate, or do I do them with the sight-size method using the string?

I find I can get accurate to within about an eighth of an inch with the string, sometimes closer, but rarely absolutely accurate. I'm generally standing about 6 - 8 feet back from the easel when I measure with the string. I know that the rest of the drawing will be done with a combination of string and judging by eye, I just want to make sure I get this first part right.

Mischa Milosevic · 10-19-2006, 07:43 PM

For now, get the marks accurate the best you know how.

As for how to further transfer measurements. At this stage it is not done at a distance. Most of the work you will do seated. When you start refining you will look from a distance. This said, you will measure with a string wrapped around forefinger of left hand and forefinger of right hand using the thumbs as a slide and the nail on the thumbs as the measuring edge. Here is a photo to help explain. Think of the tape as a finger nail on the left and finger nail on the right hand.

Mischa Milosevic · 11-27-2006, 12:18 PM

I am wondering if anyone else, besides Paul, has started the Bargue study and how far along has one got?

Some would think that having the Bargue book and reeding the instructions without actually using the plates will be sufficient to implement the principles and understand the procedure within a self induced project.

When I first arrived at the Angel Academy and was introduced to the same plates, I thought to self that the four plate requirement in pencil would be a breeze to do and that I would have them out of the way within a week or two. I was wrong. Three took 12 days each and the fourth 20 days. Approximate number of hours worked on each was 4 hrs a day.

The first one the foot the simplest to do was the toughest for me. Each one after presented a different challenge but what a delight when completed. After finishing the four plates I realized I was barely at the start of understanding what came next and that was working from the cast in charcoal. After finishing the first cast, the face of Michelangelo's David, it was but then that my minds eye was illuminated. The next challenges difficult to do but pure pleasure. In my arsenal I had the understanding and this understanding made the clime up easy.

Remember the three little pigs and the wolf, I'm sure we all do. Taking a short cut in ones studies will result in?

I have learn't and am still a student, that art that will stand the test of time is not just a line in pencil or charcoal but a line precisely executed, it is not value shadow or light rather it is the same precisely executed, it is not color or hue warm and cool rather precisely executed. If these and other elements that are a sum of a Valasques, Bouguereau, Cassatt, Sargent etc are not understood properly it will not stand the test.

A Bargue executed in pencil first will give one the tools needed in order to properly understand charcoal. Another thing, it will most assuredly speed up the learning process. If you do not believe me ask anyone that has followed this procedure. If you still do not believe me then ask the many professionals of today about the struggles that they have in reaching their individual goal of excellence. Then again it all boils down to what one's goal is.

I hope that my words wont be misunderstood. I am not promoting a particular school but rather am sharing with the members of this forum my understanding of the matter, from personal experience.

A sincere, All the best, whatever path one takes.