How much 'negative' space is too much?

[Joan Breckwoldt]

This weekend I finally got a chance to take some more photos of my very patient daughter with the tripod I dug up.

I spent some time cropping this and have 3 different compositions that I like and I was going to post one of those, but then I thought it might be interesting to post the original uncropped version and just listen to what the knowledgeable people on this forum have to say about where it should be cropped.

If there is one thing I've learned, there is more than one way to skin a cat. (Speaking of cats, our kitty is no longer a part of this project.) I'm learning how there is no one 'right' answer, but many 'right' answers. Though I suppose one could argue there is the one 'best' answer, but that best answer is the one that satisfies the artist (and client).

I look forward to your comments.

Joan

[Joan Breckwoldt]

This is the uncropped version of the photo I'll use for my son, just for anyone who is interested in seing how this ongoing project is going.

I welcome any comments!

Joan

[Allan Rahbek]

Hi Joan,
I wonder if you should try some other expressions as well now that you are in the process of making references.
Tell them not to smile but instead tell you something that they have heard or seen. While they are talking you don

[Joan Breckwoldt]

Hi Allan,

Thank you for your suggestions, but we're done with the photo shoots! I have been taking photos of my daughter for 7 days and I have learned a lot about light bulbs, lighting, etc. but, now I need to paint. I could spend another week taking more photos, but I really need the practice with painting. If I don't paint my kids this week, then it won't happen until after the holidays. I can always paint them again, and again and again after the first of the year!

I am happy with their expressions, actually I have a better close-up of my son, but somehow I must have deleted the original uncropped version. That's why I put that similar photo in my post for cropping suggestions. I'll post the close-up of his face, I like this expression a little better.

My goal was to get photos with good lighting and nice shadows. I am happy with the results I got, these are so much better than what I have been using for reference material! I'm come a long way with the help from this forum.

I will try your suggestion next time I take their photos.

thank you,

Joan

[Allan Rahbek]

Hi Joan,
I would suggest a cropping like this.
Good luck, Allan

[Joan Breckwoldt]

Hi Allan,

Thank you for your post, sorry it's taken me two day to thank you, no internet for a day and then other stuff going on around here.

I like the way you have cropped the image, this in fact was one of the three ways that I came up with. I am intrigued lately with square paintings, I'm not sure why. So it was either a 12x16" rectangular, or possibly 16x20", but the bigger canvas always seems like it has too much negative space. That's probably just my taste and level of inexperience talking at the moment. It's all in what one's eye gets used to and I will probably think completely differently in 6 months about that negative space. Like Michele mentioning that she like more negative space around her subjects lately. Or . .. I was thinking a square composition.

Thank you again, I think it's interesting to see what someone else would do with the same image!

Joan

[Ilaria Rosselli Del Turco]

Dear Joan,
by now you must have already worked a lot on these ones.
I found this discussion very interesting, and wanted to add another element.
I have found that less negative space will increase the sense of intimacy. A closer crop suggests that the painter has taken one step forward and is closer to the subject.
I found this tighter composition has worked quite well for my children's portrait, while once, when I cropped a portrait of two brothers too close, they looked like they were prisoners in a box, a really unsuccessful painting on which I had worked a lot, I still regret the missed opportunity.
I hope you will post the finished paintings
Ilaria