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Old 05-27-2005, 08:35 PM   #1
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Richard, these are the paints we use, in the order we place them on the palette:

ultramarine blue
viridian
yellow ochre
naples yellow
cadmium yellow light
white (flake or cremnitz - I use cremnitz)
cadmium red light
light red
indian red
alizarin crimson
raw umber
ivory black
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Old 05-29-2005, 07:35 AM   #2
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Here is another sample of the influence of the White used.

The samples are made from Daler-Rowney Indian Red on top position and Daler-Rowney Venetian Red under.

The Whites are both a mixture of Titanium and Zinc. The left side mixtures are a made from Marie
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Old 05-30-2005, 03:30 PM   #3
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Practical solution

Today I went to town and bought some paints of another brand than usual.

The only Red ocher close to Venezian Red was Italian Red.
When I mixed it into White I discovered that it was less Red but more brownish, not much but not quite the Venetian Red I use.

What I did was to mix a little Cadmium Red into this Brownish Ocher and it turned into the Venetian I needed.

That
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Old 05-30-2005, 03:36 PM   #4
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I'm about convinced that the artists who have it made are those who pick a couple of reds and stick with them. I, too, have stumbled into red (and other colors) that were hardly a degree warmer or cooler than th eother. Those who stick with their colors get used to them and learn what they can do with them, it seems to me.

But, I think I may try your little trick and "kick it up a bit" by adding a smidge of something like cad red light to my Venetian just to see if I can't separate it a bit more from my Indian. Or, perhaps I should add a smidge of blue (or black?) to my Indian to separate it more from the Venetian.
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Old 05-30-2005, 04:00 PM   #5
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Richard,
I think you are quite right about getting to know your colors, whatever they are. Then you find out what you CAN do with your palette when you need anything special.

My impression is that the problem, for most painters, is that they
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Old 05-30-2005, 03:40 PM   #6
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Allan,

I am fascinated by your W&N Flake White Hue. It looks like it mimics some of the tinting effect of Flake/Cremnitz/Lead type whites in your photo. I wonder how it works like that, and wonder what it is made up of? Should I get some?

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Old 05-30-2005, 04:13 PM   #7
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Allan,

I am fascinated by your W&N Flake White Hue. It looks like it mimics some of the tinting effect of Flake/Cremnitz/Lead type whites in your photo. I wonder how it works like that, and wonder what it is made up of? Should I get some?

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Old 05-30-2005, 05:35 PM   #8
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I really like it. It is much like the small genuine Flake from Rowney that I got. Almost Naples Yellow.

It contains Titanium and Zinc.

Allan
Gosh Allan, is it that tinted? Real Flake or Cremnitz White should be as white as any other white coming out of the tube. It just interacts differently with colors on a molecular level to get those warmer tints.

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Old 05-30-2005, 05:45 PM   #9
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