Mounting drawings

[Holly Snyder]

Mike,

Thanks a lot for the info. I'll look into dry-mounting around here for future projects.

Chris,

Sorry I didn't say that I was planning on spraying the drawings with some old Krylon Workable Fixatif that I have. My guess is that several layers of that would prevent the charcoal from lifting? Interesting thought of making a print, only I'd like to keep the original size, which is a little bigger than the printer is capable of.

When you do your pastels Chris, on Wallis paper or whatever, do you also always dry-mount your flexible surface to your support before beginning the painting or drawing?

If your intent is to use the drawings to get commissions, I really think they need to be properly matted, framed, and shown in their best light.

While I should listen to your words of wisdom, these quick sketches really don't warrant the time and money for proper mattes and frames.

Thanks,

Holly

[Chris Saper]

Hi Holly,

I 've only painted one pastel in the past couple of years, however, I only would dry mount once the size is too large and heavy to manage - anthing 22 x 28 or larger.

Try the fixative on a test piece first, they put some plastic on top, and see if it really fixes the surface.

I recently bought some Lithto-Coal, which can be made permanent and unsmudgable with heat. It says however, not to use in the same oven you use for cooking, so I'm a bit stymied as to how to fix it.

[Kimberly Dow]

I saw some pastels today that were mounted to something the same exact size and glass was placed on top with clips to hold it in place. The glass was actually touching the pastel. I had never seen that before and wondered about the technique. Wouldnt it possible stick to the pastel - in which case it could never be removed?

[Jimmie Arroyo]

I was wondering if mounting a drawing would do anything to the value of it?

[Sharon Knettell]

Never put anything in direct contact with a charcoal or pastel drawing. Actually, NO drawing as there is always the possibility of it smudging or static removing some of the material.

Kimberly in your case, the glass should not have been placed in direct contact with the pastels. And yes, the pastel WILL come off with the glass. If you expect to sell these pastels, you would have to have them re framed properly. That would mean removing the glass from the pastel surface, and retouching the pastels before reframing. I know this from experience. A gallery owner took two of my smaller pastels (for me) to show to someone in their home.
She placed them side by side in her car VERTICALLY so the pastels fell against the glass. I had to take them to my framer to have them re framed and the glass cleaned. I also had to retouch the pastels. She now wants to have a show of mine!

As to attaching them to a harder surface, they have what are called acid- free hinges and tape for that. www.nycentralart.com .
Use an archival board or foam-core.

And WHY are you showing things you don't much care about?

As to the future value of a mounted piece, I consulted the drawing department of The Rhode Island School of Design Museum. They said if it was properly done. ie. proper archival backing adhesives etc. it was OK. It was important to go to a knowledgeable framer, not your local chop-shop. They had photos that the had had for years that were perfectly fine. I asked them for a recommendation of a local framer and the name they gave me was fortunately the one I was using.

[Kimberly Dow]

Sharon-

I said I SAW some pastels - they weren't mine. Slow down girl!

[Sharon Knettell]

Mea Culpa Kimberly.

I couldn't get online for two days and was reading everything VERY quickly!

[Holly Snyder]

Interesting info. everyone. For what it's worth, I did try spraying a test piece of paper with several coats of the Krylon spray, and the pastel did not come off when I rubbed it with my finger.

Sharon,

I posted the drawings in the drawing critique section. As you can see, they're nothing to be framed or anything. I'm trying to get faster drawing so that I would be able to start working from life. One of the major things I learned from looking at the paintings in the MET this last week, was that I would never get where I wanted to be without being able to paint from life. Hey, what a novel idea!

I had fun drawing however, and thought I could offer drawing as a lower cost option. There's a small local show coming up tomorrow, in which everyone is displaying their work on easels. My easels are all taken up with paintings, so rather than framing these, I thought I would put them in the clear, flat bags, off to the side, for people to browse if they're interested.

Thanks to all,

Holly