Moria (Girl with a crystal earring)

[Joan Breckwoldt]

Originally Posted by Marvin Mattelson

painting's overall arrangement

Marvin,

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean Do you mean it's the overall range of values in the entire painting that's important?

But . . . . to make a circle look like a ball, isn't it the range of values that makes it look like a ball? Even if it's a small range, that range is necessary, right? Or is that what you're saying, only a small range is necessary and I shouldn't get hung up on a large range of values?

Sorry to be harping on this value thing, but I'm feeling dense right now since I thought I understood what made a form 3d.

Joan

[Marvin Mattelson]

If you gave everything the fullest range of values possible you would create visual confusion. This is called over-modeling. If you over-model each area you lose the big relationships. The proper relationship between light and shadow areas would be destroyed if you expanded the value range of each. They would overlap value-wise and lose their separation and actually flatten out. The relationship between light and shadow is what creates form. The modeling enhances this effect but is at best secondary. Throw a thin halftone transition between the two main values, add a highlight, reflected light, accents and voila! Form!

[Joan Breckwoldt]

Marvin,

I do understand that much. I guess I thought there was something different you were talking about and I didn't know what that was. Sorry to have to ask you to explain all that when I did understand that, I guess somehow I just got confused with wording somewhere.

thanks,

Joan

[Holly Snyder]

I am aware of all the above info you posted.

Ok. It's too bad there's not an easy way of comparing the same images from our cameras side-by-side, as Garth mentioned in the Got the Blues thread.

Holly

[Chris Saper]

I have copied Holly's post on Color Space here: http://forum.portraitartist.com/show...8781#post38781 so that the topic can be more easily located for those who are interested in color profiles.

Please go to the new thread to adress color space topics. Thanks.

[Linda Brandon]

Hi Marvin,

I just spotted this thread and your painting is Marvelous. Congratulations! I'm going to go back and take another long look at it.