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Old 09-26-2002, 08:45 PM   #1
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Painterly vs. Detailed




Administrator's note: Michael moved this thread to the techniques section, from its original location at http://forum.portraitartist.com/show...5&goto=newpost

Not sure if this is the place for this maybe it could be moved to a new thread but I wanted it in context to the discussion on detail vs. painterly. Yes, Marvin's work Is beautiful.

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Unfortunately, I find that many artists are predisposed to a certain approach and automatically dismiss or invalidate that which goes against their own personal grain.
I might be guilty of this. But my approach to painting was inspired by three artist in particular. Howard Pyle, NC Wyeth, and JS Sargent. I spent hours looking at their work and I was always struck buy how with the lack of detail they gave the impression of full detail. I am not sure how to put it into words but an example was one of the "Treasure Island" paintings. First, it was much larger than I had expected an illustration to be. But in the painting there is a parrot in a cage; from across the room and in the reproduction, the parrot reads as a parrot fully fleshed out and with all the form you would expect. But when you look closely the parrot is about 5 brush stokes you would get from a #10 flat bristle. I am amazed you do not miss the details. In fact, your eye puts them in even though they are not there.

So, yes, I appreciate a highly detailed style and Marvin truly is a master of it. But don't think a painterly style is any easier. A sloppy style is easier, but that is not painterly; it is just lazy. It is like the classical musician and a blues musician. The blues may see simpler then the complex classical composition but it still takes years to become a true master.
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Old 09-26-2002, 10:00 PM   #2
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I entirely agree with you Michael, because that is my personal position of a good painting too. Spanish Master Diego Velazquez was superb at doing that. Just look at the sleeves of the dress worn by the little princess in "Las Meninas" by Velazquez. My idea of a good painting is the one that shows so much with such an economy of means. I admire the skill of Ingres for painting drapery and jewels, but I prefer the abbreviated style of Velazquez. Carolous Duran and his pupil Singer Sargent were great admirers of Velazquez.
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Old 09-28-2002, 09:15 PM   #3
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The first thing I notice about this painting is the color. It's almost entirely black and yellow, with a little red thrown in at crucial spots. The parrot is the one spot of natural color. I love this kind of color composition.
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