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Old 07-18-2002, 02:20 PM   #41
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Is Painting Dead?




Thought I'd share something I found while thumbing through my old daily art journals...

May 4, 1995

Lately this whole Modernist crap has been getting on my nerves. They say painting is dead. I have to disagree. I think they
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Old 07-18-2002, 02:57 PM   #42
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Gene,

I agree, but I don't think we will have much of a revolution until we start training people to draw at an early age as they should be. Imagine if every child were skilled at drawing by the time they got out of grade school - we would have an art revolution then! People would know the difference between good and bad art because they knew how to do it!
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Old 07-18-2002, 08:01 PM   #43
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Teaching to draw or not

Well Lon, I can
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:24 PM   #44
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In my view, the present lot of professors and art schools are inadequate to train anybody. Few ever became artists by taking a single art class at a school. If, however, we start training all our children in the primary fundamentals of fine art at an early age, they may not even need any "degree" to succeed in art. But I am not even talking about necessarily becoming professional. I am talking about teaching every child to draw, whether they become professional or not. If children have an instinctive ability to draw, as I believe we all do, we owe it to them to help them learn. Let them decide whether they want to make a living at it or not.
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Old 07-19-2002, 05:52 AM   #45
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Just a question: what IS good drawing? Is it that obvious?
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Old 07-19-2002, 10:22 AM   #46
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A Twist on Drawing

Good drawing isn't obvious at all. If something's obvious, then I would say it's bad drawing.
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Old 07-19-2002, 02:51 PM   #47
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Oh Pooh

As the author of Pooh, A. A. Milne said, "some do and some don't."
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Old 07-20-2002, 03:45 AM   #48
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OK, I agree, good drawing isn't obvious. So what IS it? How do you decide if it's good drawing? (Or good painting.....and so on).
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Old 07-21-2002, 02:22 PM   #49
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If you are a photorealist, that statement would apply, Marvin. I am not an expert on the old masters, but can you tell me which of them was a "photorealist" in their drawing technique? (Oh, I know there were no photos.)

Bad drawing is obvious even to those who do not draw. And if you are of the folks who say there is no good or bad, try teaching a class that way. Your students will know better.
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Obvious or Oblivious?

I guess trying to be subtle through innuendo didn
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