Intense training

[Sharon Knettell]

These young ones are going to clean our clock!

The very creme de la creme are going to the top with this kind of training. Lest you think that this is the purview of the Academic Realists, need I remind you that Degas and Klimt went through this kind of training. They had the confidence and wings to be able raise their work to extraordinary and imaginative heights.

I am sorry I did not have this training and how much time I have spent reinventing the wheel.

Anybody who is a figurative artist, who doesn't want to work this hard and learn their 'craft' from photographs, should consider pottery instead.

[Sharon Knettell]

Are they still available? Where can you get them? They look like a great thing to practice when my model declines to show up.

I understand, that even drawing from life for years, this practice can increase your speed and accuracy.

[Steven Sweeney]

Originally Posted by Sharon Knettell

Are they still available? Where can you get them?

Info, generally:

http://www.geraldmackerman.com/
www.daheshmuseum.org

What you will discover is that the book is unavailable, pending the next (theoretical) printing. Get your email address on the Dahesh list in order to be notified if and when there is a reprinting, by sending your contact information to:

[email protected]

Probably wouldn't hurt to beg and plead a little.

There are a few used copies available from Amazon and elsewhere but at unconscionable prices ($350 and upwards to $500 or more).

[William Whitaker]

Sharon,

I've scanned about twenty Bargue plates that I could share with you and others. Each scan is large enough that it could be printed nice and crisp at 8 1/2 x 11 inches or larger. Emily and Stacy have been copying from these printed scans.

Here is a large thumbnail of the Agrippa face. This is one of the more simple images to copy. Here too are a more complex Homer bust and a nice horse head, both a bit more advanced.

If there is interest on this forum, I could post all twenty (or more) plates as small images here and people could email me and I could send them large jpgs to print and use. We could also post a bit of instruction on how to go about making the copies.

If I could get a bit of time together, I could actually do this through my own site!

There would be no charge.

[Sharon Knettell]

I am totally interested. Also, I would love to know what is the best paper and pencil for this.

We could post our results on this thread and then move on to casts.

Oh Nirvana!

[Sharon Knettell]

Steven,

Thanks for the links. I saw one on Ebay just sell for $250!

[Denise Hall]

I am definitely interested and will check back to see if this all works out Bill - since I didn't buy this book awhile ago and now the price has skyrocketed!!

Thanks!

[Mischa Milosevic]

Bill, I am so glad that you have found time to share the importance of Bargue and type drawings with the forum. I will be more than happy to contribute if I can. Being that I have lot of the plates in a tif format I will e-maila file upon request.

[Sharon Knettell]

Hi,

I spent the day at the Boston Museum yesterday, poking my nose as close as I could to the Manets, Sargents, Monets, Renoirs, Degas, Coutures, Winterhalters, Velasquezes,Bouchers, Stuarts, Geromes, Copleys etc.

The collection is so overwhelming, it caused the Frenchman standing next to me to cry out ,"quelle abondance!"

I espied a tiny painting, about 8 1/4 x 11". It was a Bargue, "The Turkish Sentinel". The drawing is so precise, refined and accurate in this tiny piece. The figure of the man is so beautifully painted, you can feel the languidness of his body beneath the clothing.

Also I am posting a Bargue drawing. The control and refinement of his line work is beyond compare and a total delight. I would kill for this drawing.

[Mischa Milosevic]

Oh how I wish to have the pleasure to see that lovely painting of the sentinel. It is one of my favorite. Here is my attempt and one of my favorite studies