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where the client is willing to set their own frailties aside and let the artist do the choosing
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I wonder if this was the case in the two examples above. I would love to have been a fly on the wall while these discussions took place. I notice that the portrait of Mr. Steinberg was signed in 1976. Mr. Steinberg looks to be very mature at this point in his life. I don't know what the stature of Daniel Greene was some thirty years ago, or whether his reputation alone would have been of sufficient weight to impose his will on such a figure.
It would seem to have been either a compelling argument from the artist, or the position of the client. I would give the nod to Mr. Greene because it keeps showing up. Anyway, it's left for fools to ponder.
There are it seems more than one track for the portrait artist. One is to provide financially for yourself and those that depend on your efforts. Others with less financial restraints might be more easily seduced by the eclectic. Then there are those that just **** the elements and do what they have to do.
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01-24-2005, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike McCarty
There are it seems more than one track for the portrait artist. One is to provide financially for yourself and those that depend on your efforts. Others with less financial restraints might be more easily seduced by the eclectic. Then there are those that just **** the elements and do what they have to do.
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The best position to be in is probably to have a couple of projects going at the same time.
About D.G.'s subjects: at some point certain people seem to give up their vanity and decide simply to surrender to the artist and become artistically interesting. This is going to happen to me personally any moment now.
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01-24-2005, 11:57 AM
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This is going to happen to me personally any moment now.
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MERCUTIO
Tut, dun's the mouse, the constable's own word:
If thou art dun, we'll draw thee from the mire
Of this sir-reverence love, wherein thou stick'st
Up to the ears. Come, we burn daylight, ho!
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01-24-2005, 12:47 PM
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Mike,
It would be a great subject for a painting for you to do!
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01-24-2005, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Linda Brandon
The best position to be in is probably to have a couple of projects going at the same time.
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I believe that most painters have at least two projects going on continuously.
Some are financially independent by being rich, rich and famous painters, or married to a rich, while others have another job alongside the painting.
Many, here in Denmark, live on welfare and do there painting as there only activity.
The lucky ones are famous and teach.
I am actually not sure if I would want to live exclusively from painting portraits. I would like to keep the painting business as the fragile flower that I nurse and love and not the pair of horses that have to drag me through the mud of life.
Allan
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01-24-2005, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike McCarty
Regarding Daniel Greene -- I find that his portrayal of the subjects he paints far less glamorized than most. He instead seems to embrace the obvious humanity of the individual, instead of trying to create a false facade. In the case of Robert Beverly Hale -- the eyes cast down, looking as a man might who's lived a long life. The craggy hands painted not in suggestion, or hidden behind the coat, but up front in detail.
And to the right, the geometric guidelines suggesting some of the elements of draftsmanship. Yet, not eliminated at the end, but left as part of the composition.
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According to Daniel Greene, Mr. Hale was in fact in very frail condition when this work was done. If I recall correctly, this was not the original pose -- or was at least just one of two poses -- as Mr. Hale was too weak to hold a pose for any length of time. I think Greene said that Hale had trouble even keeping his hands crossed in this pose. (There
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01-24-2005, 02:55 PM
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Come, we burn daylight, ho!
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Who you callin ho?
You know I was lying anyway in my post. I am far too pathetically vain. I wouldn't even wear Chris's Z-Coils out of the house without wearing one of Sharon's corsets as well.
Allan, you are giving me another reason to want to move to Denmark!
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01-24-2005, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Linda Brandon
Allan, you are giving me another reason to want to move to Denmark!
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Well fare or welfare, thats the question.
Allan
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01-24-2005, 04:06 PM
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[QUOTE]though I think it would have been great to have the concrete pump truck
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01-24-2005, 04:08 PM
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I wouldn't even wear Chris's Z-Coils
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I wasn't even aware that Chris was ill.
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