Portrait Artist Forum    

Go Back   Portrait Artist Forum > Resource Photo Critiques


Reply
 
Topic Tools Search this Topic Display Modes
Old 07-01-2004, 07:26 PM   #1
Michele Rushworth Michele Rushworth is offline
CAFE & BUSINESS MODERATOR
SOG Member
FT Professional
 
Michele Rushworth's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,460



Quote:
All this seems to be taking me away from painting but I think in the long run will be very helpful.
As you're finding, all this is every bit as essential to a successful outcome as anything you might do with a brush in your hand. As Nelson Shanks says, "Great paintings are made at the beginning, not at the end."
__________________
Michele Rushworth
www.michelerushworth.com
[email protected]
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2004, 07:49 PM   #2
Joan Breckwoldt Joan Breckwoldt is offline
Associate Member
 
Joan Breckwoldt's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 504
The beginning

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michele Rushworth
As Nelson Shanks says, "Great paintings are made at the beginning, not at the end."
Hi Michele,

Hmm, this is very interesting. I am beginning to understand this. But still, I have this voice in my head that is always telling me I should be painting!

Joan
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2004, 07:58 PM   #3
Joan Breckwoldt Joan Breckwoldt is offline
Associate Member
 
Joan Breckwoldt's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 504
smile Thank you all

Dearest Michele, Allan, Linda, Chris and Sharon,

I just wanted to say thank you for all the help you have given me on this project. I feel like I am immersed in some kind of class with a group of wonderful, but tough (!), teachers.

Seems like every time I check for a response, there is one. There is also usually an 'action item' to add to my list with each response, something to look up, something new to try, or something to buy! You guys are wearing me out but I love it! This is why I say I feel like I'm taking a class, though I have the best teachers I've ever had and so much support. It means a lot to me.

Thank you again and please keep the ideas and responses coming. I've got a full tank of gas for errands, a credit card for purchases and I'll get a good night's sleep so I'll try to keep up.

Joan
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2004, 09:05 PM   #4
Michele Rushworth Michele Rushworth is offline
CAFE & BUSINESS MODERATOR
SOG Member
FT Professional
 
Michele Rushworth's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,460
Quote:
But still, I have this voice in my head that is always telling me I should be painting!
"Doing planning for a painting" IS "painting", and is far more productive than just slapping colors on a canvas with no forethought.

All that essential stuff (working out lighting problems, evaluating clothing choices, planning camera angles, deciding what it is you want to communicate, thinking about mood and how to support it with your composition, cropping, balance, thinking about sight lines -- all that stuff IS painting. Don't feel guilty about it. It's the most important part of "painting".

Every hour of careful thought at this point in the process will do more for the end result than any amount of fancy brushwork or color mixing will ever achieve on its own.
__________________
Michele Rushworth
www.michelerushworth.com
[email protected]
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2004, 12:55 PM   #5
Sharon Knettell Sharon Knettell is offline
Approved Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,730
Some final tips; overrouge her cheeks, an eighteenth centurty portrait trick. It may look strong for street or even evening wear, but it works well for portraiture. Also find a makeup base that will cover her reddish nose. Adding deodorant to a makeup base will keep a face from glowing too much on a hot day.

Get the look you need. I have even called in makeup artists and hairdressers when needed. The clients have always picked up the tab.

Ah, what artist's can do. It is like plastic surgery, only the result, ie. the painting lasts longer.

Paint as many heads from life so you can loosen up your brushstokes and give your work individuality. I recently found a portrait site and I would not have been able to tell if the portraits had been done by different people if the vignettes had not been labeled. The style, design and concepts were all alike. A good deal of the portrait artists were well known also.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2004, 02:49 PM   #6
Joan Breckwoldt Joan Breckwoldt is offline
Associate Member
 
Joan Breckwoldt's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 504
My favorite

This is my favorite of the new batch of photos I took this morning of my model. And I NEVER could have come up with this without all the help I got on the forum and specifically this thread!

I went shopping over the weekend and bought a dress for the model. Sharon, I never would have thought to do this without your suggestion. I found this dress at a resale shop and knew it would be perfect on my model.

My model showed up with her mother this morning. I was a little anxious, not nervous, just anxious, to have the mother watching everything I did. But it turned out well because the mom was impressed with my set-up and she amost fell over backwards when she learned I bought a dress just for her daughter to wear for this portrait.

Here is my favorite:

Joan
Attached Images
 
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2004, 02:54 PM   #7
Joan Breckwoldt Joan Breckwoldt is offline
Associate Member
 
Joan Breckwoldt's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 504
Runners-up

Here are some others that I liked from the photo shoot this morning. I tried a different pose in the white dress but it just doesn't compare to that gray dress, in my mind. Sorry to post so many but I tried lots of different poses and I wanted to share.

Joan
Attached Images
       
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2004, 03:52 PM   #8
Allan Rahbek Allan Rahbek is offline
Juried Member
 
Allan Rahbek's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Location: 8543-dk Hornslet, Denmark
Posts: 1,642
Hi Joan,

Here is my opinion.

I also like the standing one, because of the fine dress and the colors of the light on it.

But I think that the hair on her left shoulder makes her look like she is hiding herself, it should be back. Her hands form a too closed figure, maybe try with other positions of the hands. And her upper body should be seen more frontal like in the one with the chair ( my other favorite )

Finally I think that the yellow light on her face should be less hard.

Allan

Ps. Would it be possible to do something with the dress to make her bosom look more natural? I am a foreigner, so maybe this request should have had another form ? Please remove it if i said something wrong.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2004, 08:54 AM   #9
Sharon Knettell Sharon Knettell is offline
Approved Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,730
Foundation building

Joan,

The only photo that could possibly be interpreted for portrait use is the standing figure.
Alas, it has a few problems as I see it.

A: There seems to be two sources of light, one warm, one cool. The face is warm, the hands greenish blue. It is better to learn how to resolve that than to rely on photoshop or some other computer program.

B: The choice of a background. It is baggy and it's heavily draped folds conflicts with the dress. The floor area is unresolved.

C: There is no color plan. Is it a red-green blue orange color scheme? What is your color design plan.

D: The dress is not what I would have personally picked for this young lady. She is rather busty and the frieze of rosettes and the sheen of the fabric only accentuate the problem.

One must approach clients with confidence and knowledge, only learning proper procedures will give you this advantage. I doubt that the Leo Caprio character could paint a portrait with bluffs.

A good photo course would be useful as well as subscriptions to W and Town and Country. We must learn how the gentry dress if we want to present them well or those who seek to emulate them.

This, of course presumes that you have put in the requisite time honing your portrait skills. One year of learning tonal drawing and one year of just painting the figure and head would be the basic minimum. Mike Dodson is setting a good example here on the forum with his series of head studies from life. They are excellent and fresh and will stand him in good stead when he has to make color notes from life.
A workshop or an atelier are also excellent options.

How far we go depends on how we lay our foundation work. We can thrill our friends and family with our copies of photos or we can diligently prepare ourselves for a more discerning and better paying clientele.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2004, 10:12 AM   #10
Michele Rushworth Michele Rushworth is offline
CAFE & BUSINESS MODERATOR
SOG Member
FT Professional
 
Michele Rushworth's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,460
Sharon has, as always, given excellent advice. A great painting cannot be made from flawed reference.
__________________
Michele Rushworth
www.michelerushworth.com
[email protected]
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing this Topic: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Topic Tools Search this Topic
Search this Topic:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Topics
Thread Topic Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Breaking down the portrait process Mary Reilly Conceptualizing the Portrait 4 06-09-2004 03:29 PM
Portrait Project 9-11 Chris Saper Unveilings, 9/11 Portrait Project - Moderator: Alexandra Tyng 0 09-16-2003 10:22 PM
When is a portrait not a portrait Clive Fullagar Cafe Guerbois Discussions - Moderator: Michele Rushworth 11 11-23-2002 12:37 PM
Open Call for Portrait Artists Jeanine Jackson Upcoming Events & Announcements 0 09-10-2002 05:42 PM

 

Make a Donation



Support the Forum by making a donation or ordering on Amazon through our search or book links..







All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.