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Old 05-01-2003, 01:37 PM   #11
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Yesterday was our 9th wedding anniversary. This is Tom's present and the first time I've spent so much time looking at ME. What a strange sensation.

Jean

ps: Tom told me I have to spend as much time on me as I spend on Snickers.
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Old 05-01-2003, 08:06 PM   #12
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By morning's light it dawned on me that I incorrectly stated Daniel Greene's method of estimating life-size heads. The measure he uses is the span from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the middle finger. So -- put the tip of the thumb on your chin, and the tip of the middle finger should just reach your hairline (or the place where it used to be). I didn't catch my misstatement because I have very large hands and the other-stated measure works for me as well (as the extended thumb is pretty close to perpendicular to the heel of the hand anyway).

The "correct" procedure will give you that extra half inch or so you may have been looking for. Apologies to anyone who went away earlier thinking that their hairlines had suddenly receded beyond the norm.
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Old 05-01-2003, 11:53 PM   #13
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Long hands

I must have long hands cause it works both ways for me too. According to palmistry I have water hands, guess that's why I like to swim.

I've completed this portrait and posted it under Unveilings as "Snickers and Me". If there are any other suggestions, keep them coming!

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Old 05-05-2003, 01:01 AM   #14
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Lovely painting

Hi Jean,

I'm writing this a first critique response. Please take me with salt, pepper, or anything else appropriate to beginners.

I think your painting is well accomplished. For my taste, the resolution of the size of your hands is second to the kind of light hitting the forms of your head-to-cat-to-hand, hand. What I am reading could be a symptom of backlit computer screens, but I think such strong work as yours would benefit from more play with an underlying ground color.

I think I would like to hear your initial response to such a suggestion before I go any further.

Sincerely, and very nice to meet your work,
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Old 05-05-2003, 12:20 PM   #15
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Hi Brian,

Can you explain what you mean by underlying ground color?

As an untrained artist I'm not familiar with many technical terms. Do you mean underpainting? I so, my next self imposed assignment is to use a complementary undercoat to create some tension and vibrancy in skin tones.

Jean
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Old 05-05-2003, 09:43 PM   #16
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Ground color

Hi Jean,

What I meant by ground color is something like the color of the underpainting, but the term ground refers to the oil ground or "gesso" one uses to prime the surface to be painted. It looked to me like this painting is done from a white ground color. I could be wrong, in which case the relationships of the more superficial layers of paint don't seem to be reacting/relating to the ground or starting color. This could be from using exclusively opaque titanium white, but judging from what looks like a moderate to thin paint layer, I would bet that white sits underneath.

Once when I was visiting Rubens' house in Antwerp, I came to drool in front of an enormous painting posterity had left for us visitors in what Peter Paul had used as his studio. Only after a few minutes did I realize that the entire bottom four feet of the picture was achieved leaving something like 70% of the ground color exposed, a kind of very warm reddish-brown. This extraordinary painting had demonstrated for me the potential of ground color relationships (not to mention those multiplied by careful underpainting).

I think you would find a lot of pleasure working on a reddish ground and allowing your paint layers to vary in their opacity. You may want to try different oils such as linseed/stand mixed with damar varnish. There are also many prefab mixtures, and you may use one already to make the paint a smoother consistency. With this project identify pigments that are more transparent and couple their effect with a thinning-w/oil. You could consider this a kind of extended underpainting process, and then for those opaque layers, apply them as economically as possible. Also experiment with how they react to the thinning with oil treatment.

I hope this is helpful and clear as I am really such the beginner with technical writing. Please let me know of your further success.

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Old 05-05-2003, 11:51 PM   #17
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Hi Brian. Now I understand! Yes, the ground was white in this case. Next time I'll use your suggestion, the reddish brown ground color. I'm always up for a new experiment.

The medium I used in this painting is a mix of cold-pressed linseed oil, turpenoid, and a small amount of venice turpentine. I mix it myself, tried Liquin and didn't like the smell, plus it dried too fast. I did try applying very thin layers of paint to the hands, face and hair in this one. And you are right about the titanium white, I use it exclusively. Should I pick up some zinc white for flesh and keep the titanium for highlights only?

Are you psychic? How could you be right on by looking at a less than perfect image on a computer screen? I'm impressed, thank you for taking the time to comment so succinctly. It is appreciated, as I consider this my school for right now.

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Old 05-09-2003, 01:05 AM   #18
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Zinc

Hello Jean,

Please excuse the lull in response/dialogue, I've been having apartment issues.

Yes, I think you will find zinc white a very useful tool. Also think about using yellow where you might normally reaech for white. The zinc will enable you to mix a white pigment into whatever color and retain more of the chroma. As well as the white opaque/transparent distinction, you can use all of the pigments based upon their hospitality toward light. The distinction between the opacity of cadmium red, for instance, and the transparency of madder lake is immense and very useful. I recommend trying to build your painting using organic pigments and earth colors pushing the color relationships until you feel more comfortable with chromatically active painting. In other words, by using theories of color contrast and complementary colors, at the same time minimizing the occurrence of (unnatural) purely white light in your painting, the relative unity of the aforemnetioned palette will provide an excellent foundation for the rest of your painting practice (not to mention an historical one).

Such a pleasure,
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:08 AM   #19
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Bonnard

Oh, and use Bonnard as a reference, he's amazing (as you probably already know)...
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Old 05-09-2003, 05:00 PM   #20
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You assume too much

Hi Brian. My art history and study is very rusty, as my formal schooling was 30 years ago! I'm still reeling from discovering Bougereau and the simple beauty of his paintings. So, I did a search on Bonnard (I'm assuming you mean Pierre). His work is full of light, and quite lovely, and very different from what I'm doing. I know I'm still too exacting and tight, but I love a beautiful line, and try to incorporate line quality into my paintings. Maybe I get too hung up on it, or possibly now need to look at line and beautiful light!

I'll start experimenting with the transparent color more, and do some research. Your comments have pushed me to a different level and they are appreciated. Thank you.

Jean
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