Visitors' poll

I checked "other." The process of getting accepted or declined here seems to have some "kinks" in it, or maybe it's just me - I'm not certain.

I tried registering once a long time back, since I enjoyed reading the information here, and found threads that I felt I could contribute to. I have a great deal of experience in art and am a well mannered fellow, so I figured I could manage the decorum. Unfortunately, I never got a reply back of any sort to my attempt at registering, so I just assumed I was declined.

A few days back (I think it's been over a week now) I thought I'd just try again to register, but as of yet still haven't gotten a response - maybe it just takes more time. Those folks must be very busy with more important tasks, etc...

Also, since I never received a reply, I never bothered to try logging in, but just now I discover that I actually could log in and be recognized, unfortunatelty I'm still not allowed to enter replies, even to this thread. I had to log out in order to write up this entry.

I understand you're reasoning for all these obstacles, but it just amounts to a big pile of frustration, which in the end is not worth the effort. Plus, in all honesty, there's this slight taint of elitism on SOG's part at requiring new members to go through all the process, however well intended or necessary it may be. I feel your insistance at scholarship of your members is unnecessary, to be frank. Inexperienced people will be intimiated without that - just look at all the "too shy" responses you're getting here. It's only informal talk and opinions that we're sharing after all. If an inexperienced person speaks up, they can be politely educated. Maybe there's some history to your reasons for these restrictions that I'm not aware of, however.

When a bar has been set, there needs to be an obvious reason for a person to want to climb over it, hoping you understand my metaphor. As nice as this place is, it's not exclusive to it's content. There are other places to go to that aren't so tedious to enter.

Whew. I do appreciate the opportunity to finally speak. Thanks.

[Cynthia Daniel]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I checked "other." The process of getting accepted or declined here seems to have some "kinks" in it, or maybe it's just me - I'm not certain.

I tried registering once a long time back, since I enjoyed reading the information here, and found threads that I felt I could contribute to. I have a great deal of experience in art and am a well mannered fellow, so I figured I could manage the decorum. Unfortunately, I never got a reply back of any sort to my attempt at registering, so I just assumed I was declined.

A few days back (I think it's been over a week now) I thought I'd just try again to register, but as of yet still haven't gotten a response - maybe it just takes more time. Those folks must be very busy with more important tasks, etc...

Please send me an email using the Contact Us link all the way at the bottom of each screen and I will see what I can determine regarding this. Include the name you used to register. I know we do have one applicant still in process. My first question would be to ask if you did send in two portrait images in the 2nd step of the process.

Sometimes, in fact, it does take more time for one reaon or another. One of the Board members might be out of town for a portrait commission, for example, and we're awaiting their return. In other cases, the Board might be split on whether to approve or not and conversations carry on for a bit.

Also, since I never received a reply, I never bothered to try logging in, but just now I discover that I actually could log in and be recognized, unfortunatelty I'm still not allowed to enter replies, even to this thread. I had to log out in order to write up this entry.

Until the 2nd step of the registratioin has been completed and the Board has approved, you can log in but not post. However, you should be able to write and post in this section. Maybe logging in when there is not a final approval is an odd no-man's land and that explains it.

I understand you're reasoning for all these obstacles, but it just amounts to a big pile of frustration, which in the end is not worth the effort. Plus, in all honesty, there's this slight taint of elitism on SOG's part at requiring new members to go through all the process, however well intended or necessary it may be. I feel your insistance at scholarship of your members is unnecessary, to be frank.

Scholarship? I'm not sure what you mean by this. We don't have any particular educational requirement. Elitism? I don't personally feel elitist. I suppose any group that juries could always be accused of being elitist. Maybe it's just the jury process that you find elitist, but without more information, it would be difficult to respond more specifically.

Inexperienced people will be intimidated without that - just look at all the "too shy" responses you're getting here. It's only informal talk and opinions that we're sharing after all. If an inexperienced person speaks up, they can be politely educated. Maybe there's some history to your reasons for these restrictions that I'm not aware of, however.

It really is more than informal talk I think. The Critiques is really the biggest area of stress when there is no jury process. If you've not been here since the beginning, there have been some who registered before the jury process was instituted and requested Critique and the work was at such a beginning level that no one giving Critiques had the time to lead the person just up to the basics needed to make a good portrait.

As stated earlier, there are not that many people who actually give Critiques. Often it tends to be the same members over and over who are contributing. There truly is a limited resource for this function and those who offer critique truly want to help. But, when there is an overabundance of people sometimes demanding critiques, it can become overwhelming.

Yes, sometimes people get demanding. They might post a critique and if no one responds within 24 hours, some have gotten upset. Everyone has to understand that other members have busy lives, careers and usually families and are all generous volunteers. Without a jury process, sometimes the work is at such a beginning level that those who might normally critique just don't know where to start - what do you tell this person? Then if someone gets bold and says "go back to drawing basics and master that first" - then some get insulted. Just think how much those who do critiques are putting themselves on the line - it can be stressful for them too.

As one Guest stated earlier, they are happy about the jury process so they don't have to weed through a lot to find posts that they find valuable.

The bottom line is, no matter what rules are made in any group, it's not possible to please everyone as much as we might like to.

Whew. I do appreciate the opportunity to finally speak. Thanks.

Well, I'm glad you feel better now.

Tried to register when I first discovered the forum. (about a year ago), The process had some sort of techno-glitch and it didn't complete. From there, after many attempts to retry and/or email a real person, I gave up. Never got any sort of reply - automated or human. I have continued to be a lurker since most of the benefit can be realized this way.

Jeff Ott
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I'm not a member yet because I do not have time to participate to your great forums. My intension is to registered one day. I really appreciate your good work. Thank you for what your doing for the artists.

I don't have digital images to submit and while I think I've done some decent portraits, my main love is landscapes. But the forum is very interesting and much if it still applies to other things. Also, I paint with acrylics which are very much in the minority! I love the look of oils but I'm so allergic to them. Even the water misc oils smell too much for me to handle.

Thanks for a great forum though!

I only do occasional portraits - the bulk of my work is in other genres. The rules for becoming a member state that new members are wanted ONLY IF they plan to post portrait work on a regular basis.

I have plenty of portrait commission images that I can post, but I find I am having a hard time finding the time between commissions to do the live portrait needed for the jurying process. Because I do children exclusively, I work from photos. It would be wrong to ask a child to sit for a portrait session. They barely sit for a photo session. LOL

If the live portrait were dropped from the requirements, I would have long since been able to join up.

Tammy Moore

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I work from photos. It would be wrong to ask a child to sit for a portrait session. They barely sit for a photo session. LOL

The more I think about it, the fact is I work too slow for live painting. I would drive my model nuts. hehehehe. It isn't a problem when working from photos.

Tammy Moore

Mmmmm, doing the poll gave me the itch to try again at the application/jurying process. I went to the join link and read the application process. Though I could have sworn that a live portrait was essential the last time I read it, it would appear that it is preferred but a photography-based portrait is indeed allowed if the photo was taken by the artist.

So, I am off to give the application process a go. I hope to find that this will not be my last post, but instead be the first few of many.

Tammy Moore

[Julie Deane]

Tammy, you could always do a self portrait.

Hope you join. This forum is a great place to learn.