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Mischa Milosevic 01-30-2006 07:18 AM

Do you know this Old Masters name?
 
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Man on the cross, charcoal on umbria paper, 49cm x 70cm

I am posting this here even though it mite be considered as a work in progress. I will not mention the artists name just in case someone would care to attempt to name the Maestro.

The reason I post this is to give an idea of the procedure used by the old masters. Keep in mind Not All the masters used this method but for me it is a learning tool to understand their thinking while they made ready for a painting.

The drawing I am working from is A4 in size and I am using the comparative method of measuring for the grater proportions and the rest of the measuring is done by eye . The initial sketch was done on canson and then transferred to the umbria.

Share with me what you think and all comments and questions are welcome.

Mischa Milosevic 01-30-2006 07:21 AM

My copy
 
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This is my attempt at a copy

Mischa Milosevic 01-30-2006 07:27 AM

A close - up
 
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Correctingplacements of tone and forms

Albert Loewy 01-30-2006 08:49 AM

By Umbria paper, do you mean earth-color toned paper? What is A4 sized paper? What does, "transferred to the Umbria" mean? If Umbria is a tone, can't the paper be toned prior to the drawing?
Please clarify.
-Thanks
Best,
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Ilaria Rosselli Del Turco 01-30-2006 09:05 AM

Mischa, to me this looks french. Perhaps David or Gericault?
No,no, to a better look maybe Moroni?
Albert,I think Umbria is the name of the paper, Fabriano normally names paper with geographical names.

Ilaria

Mischa Milosevic 01-30-2006 09:22 AM

Albert, thank you for the question I would be happy to clarify for you.

Umbria is the name of the paper made in Italy if I'm not wrong by Fabriano. Yes A4 is the size 29.7cm x 21cm. The paper is cream color closer to white. If you care to know more in regard to the Umbria paper I am sure you could do a net search and get extensive. The texture of the paper is soft and absorbent. It is excellent for charcoal work. I have used Roma as well as some French papers. It all comes down to preference and what you would like from a paper.

Ilaria, good guess Giovany Moroni, Theodore Gericault no but both have the touch. David, I

Mischa Milosevic 01-31-2006 12:11 PM

Let me give a bit of a clue Spain is where he is from and first letter is F. Ring a bell yet? Anyhow, this peace is not a priority so I am not rushed to finish. If by chance someone would like to start a old master charcoal copy (good source the Bargue book) and they like a few pointers on that stile of rendering I would be pleased to walk them through.

So, first start with a construct drawing and than lets have a look. I do have some of the Bargue drawings scanned and can send the file if I have it.

Ilaria Rosselli Del Turco 01-31-2006 01:46 PM

I give up Misha, can't name a spanish master with an F, unless is F as Francisco but this doesn't look like Goya or Zurbaran maybe?
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Mischa Milosevic 01-31-2006 02:16 PM

Ever hear of Fortuny?

Ilaria Rosselli Del Turco 01-31-2006 02:21 PM

Mariano Fortuny ? I thought he was from Venice.


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