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Jenni Nolen 02-15-2005 09:07 PM

Something about Genevieve
 
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Hi,

I've been working on this portrait of this young girl and there is something that doesn't quite look right that I can't put my finger on. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions. This is on Canson and is 22 x 18".

Thanks,
Jenni

Debra Norton 02-15-2005 10:22 PM

Jenni,
She is a lovely little girl, and you have the makings of a very nice portrait. I see a few little things you can do to help fix the "not quite right" look. This may seem like a lot, but they're really very small changes.

Her chin is more pointed than it is in the reference. I see the values on her jaw and neck closer together than they are on the portrait. I think your reflected light is too light. Squint and compare, and you will see you can lower the value on her jaw. The angle of the jaw line in your portrait is steeper than in the photo. Plus the shadows on her neck and jaw (in the photo) seem cooler on my monitor than the shadows on her cheek and forehead.

You can lower the outside corner of her (our left) eye. You can lighten the line along the bridge of the nose; it looks like it might even curve in a little just below the eye. You can extend the shadow on the side of the bridge of the nose closer to the inside of the (our) left eye.

I think it would be good to break up some of the brown streaks in her hair, I don't see them so "line-y." And I see a lot of purple/lavender/gray on the top and side of her hair.

I think her forhead slants back a little more than you have it. Her (our) right eyebrow seems a little more curved than in the photo. Check that pupil too, it seems larger than in the photo. The last thing is the intensity of the skin on her upper arms, it just jumps out at me. Maybe dulling it down some will keep from drawing the eye down there, away from her face.

I hope this helps.
Debra

Timothy C. Tyler 02-16-2005 10:34 AM

Axis
 
This is just barely off. It's the axis-the bridge of the nose as it relates to the muzzle area. Little shifts mean a lot. The upper part is foreward just a little too much.

Jenni Nolen 02-25-2005 05:35 PM

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Debra and Timothy,

Thanks for your reply. I've been working on your suggestions and they have really made a difference, it's always great to have an extra pair of eyes to help you see what you've missed. (I'm still working on the hair, especially where it comes in contact with her shirt.)

Jenni

Garth Herrick 02-26-2005 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Timothy C. Tyler
This is just barely off. It's the axis-the bridge of the nose as it relates to the muzzle area. Little shifts mean a lot. The upper part is foreward just a little too much.

Hi Jenni,

Tim is right. With a number of small shifts your drawing and likeness can get back on track. Do you have the photo to scale right next to your easel?

In case you don't, I've done an overlay in Photoshop to show where things need to shift. The eyes appear to bug out because the eyelids are too thin. The chin, mouth and muzzle area, as Tim calls it, need widening and moving forward. The nose is ever so slightly off axis in its angle, and the bridge shoud appear finer and thinner.

Hope this helps,

Garth

Jenni Nolen 02-26-2005 01:26 PM

Garth,

Thanks for taking the time to create that overlay. I'm going to post it on my easel so I can tweak those shifts.

Jenni

Garth Herrick 02-26-2005 01:45 PM

Always something new to learn in Photoshop!
 
You are welcome Jenni.

As it happens, I just learned this new technique with the line tool, in Photoshop, with this digital demo. I measured both the photo and pastel from the chin to the eye. Then with a calculator I matched them both in scale. Overlaying the photo over the pastel in the best possible registration, I drew in the guidelines over the photo, then hid the photo layer to show the lines over the pastel. It's neat!

Garth

PS: Jenni, you may also notice that her forehead should be proportionally taller.... another shift to consider! Hint: Look at the hairline between the two images.

Julie Deane 02-26-2005 10:12 PM

How do you do it?
 
Garth -

Would you mind telling us Photoshop learners how you do those overlays step by step?

Garth Herrick 02-27-2005 12:28 AM

Your Photoshop secret tutorial directions
 
Hi Julie,

It's not rocket science and once you get the hang of it, it's a lot easier and intuitive than it sounds.

Here goes:

1.) Download both desired source images the Forum artist has posted. I find I need to rename the images (any name that works for you), and specify ".jpg", in order to get the image to save as a usable file.

2.) Once downloaded, I open both files at once in Photoshop by dragging them together from my Finder window (I'm using a MAC! PC users find your own way.) onto the Photoshop icon in my Dock.

Both images should simultaneously open in Photoshop as two separate files.

3.) Under IMAGE SIZE, I immediately scale these two files to about twice their original size, maybe larger, for ease of use and precision.

OPTIONAL: For convenience, convert in PREFERENCES the measurement units to PIXELS (rather than INCHES or CM).

4.) Using the MEASURING tool (it's buried as an option under the EYE-DROPPER tool in the tool menu at the left), choose something to measure that works correspondingly in both images.

In this case I measured from the bottom of the chin to the middle of the right eye.

Click and hold down the mouse button at the start point of the measurement, and drag it to the end point, and release the button.

In the top menu, following "D:" ,will be the desired measurement readout, in this case, in pixel units. Write down the measurement result, and take the same corresponding measurement on the other source image and write down that result too.

Chances are these two numbers are not the same (if they are you've hit the jackpot and can skip the next few steps!).

Now you will want to match the scale of one image to the other:

5.) Decide which of the two source images you will now modify in scale to match the other. You will either be enlarging or reducing it.

Knowing which way you are going, use a calculator to divide the one written measurement result by the other.
If ENLARGING: divide the larger number by the smaller one.
If REDUCING: divide the smaller number by the larger one.

With the calculated resulting ratio, go to IMAGE SIZE again and pick any dimension listed, and multiply that number by the RATIO you just calculated.

With this next result on the calculator, go back to IMAGE SIZE and replace the dimension used for the last calculation with your new result, by typing it in to the (highlighted) box. Press SAVE and.....Voila!...... Both images will match in scale exactly.

6.) Now you want to copy and paste the one image over the other one.

Choose SELECT ALL to select all the image to be copied. Under EDIT, select COPY, and you will have copied the image to your virtual clipboard.

Going over to your other image that is to receive the overlay, select EDIT/PASTE, and you will now have successfully pasted the one image opaquely over the other, in a new layer.

Now you can edit the opacity of the overlaying layer, in the LAYER menu to the right. It will initiall read 100% in the numerical box. Click the small arrow to the right, and a slidebar will appear to allow you to modify this opacity setting to that which you desire, say 50% for now.

Now you can see both images about 50/50 apiece overlaid. With the MOVE tool in the left side tool palette, drag this top layer over the background layer until you register a good match (in this example we are matching both right eyes until they perfectly coincide and register as one). Ideally you will now see most features manifest in their perfection or imperfection, superimposed.

7.) Now go back to the LAYERS menu and reset the opacity back to 100%.

Important OPTION if you are painting lines with a BRUSH: Open a new LAYER/NEW/LAYER. This will be called LAYER 2. You can draw with the BRUSH any outlines or key registration points you wish onto this overlaying layer.

If you use the LINE tool (as I did), every straight line segment you add will automatically generate it's own separate LAYER! I generated over 50 more layers with all these angular connecting lines!

Above all, remember that the pasted in image layer is called LAYER 1. You will later be going back to it. All the added line segment layers will be LAYER 2, 3, 4, etc,......

With a BRUSH or LINE tool, whichever method you are comfortable with, draw some outlines around the key features you want to compare.

8.) Going to LAYER 1, select it and toggling the EYEBALL icon to it's left, you will hide that layer from view, revealing the other background source image and the verity or inaccuracy of it as evidenced by the colored outlines you just drew and overlaid.

9.) LAYERS/FLATTEN this image (you will discard the hidden layer, for now). FILE/SAVE AS this file as a new name, whatever works for you.

This is the saved image that will show all the errors and inaccuracies.

10.) In HISTORY, back up a step or two, to the historic state in the process just prior to when you hid LAYER 1. Select that point of history, and you will be back where you were earlier with all the multiple layers.

11.) Now once again, do the LAYERS/FLATTEN to the image in this state. Now once again, FILE/SAVE AS with a separate distinct file name. This is your other saved image that shows the guiding painted lines in total agreement with the image, because this is the image you used to draw those lines.

12.) Resize and SAVE AS both these saved files to the sizes and standards needed for posting back in the FORUM, Post and upload the images, and write your descriptive justifying blurb, and you're Done!

When all this is second nature it can be accomplished in a matter of a few minutes of your time. It's not really that big of a deal.


I hope this helps!!! :o :exclamati

Garth

Julie Deane 02-27-2005 08:11 AM

Thank you so much!
 
It may not be a big deal to do, Garth, but it was a big deal to write it all down.

On behalf of myself and all Photoshop neophytes, thank you.


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