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Michele Rushworth 01-26-2007 09:42 PM

Drying medium?
 
Do any of you use a medium that will accellerate the drying of your paint?

I'd prefer a tried and true medium that has been used for generations, rather than a new invention, since those make me nervous when it comes to their archival characteristics.

Any suggestions?

Carlos Ygoa 01-27-2007 11:53 AM

Michelle,

When I have to, I use a few drops of cobalt drier in my painting medium (which is 50-50 linseed oil-turpentine). It does not have a darkening effect on the painting unlike lead driers. I

Richard Bingham 01-27-2007 11:58 PM

Michele, precisely what sort of "problem" are you hoping to solve?
Siccatives are invariably linoleate metal salts. While they can accelerate drying time, they can't properly be considered "mediums".

Do you paint in a layered technique?

Do you employ titanium white and cadmium colors?

Carlos, cobalt and manganese siccatives have been around for about 150 years. Referring to lead driers as "darkening" piques my curiosity. If you are referring to lead naphthenate, it's a relatively new siccative, and I'm unaware of any darkening that is inherent with its use. Cobalt driers have been blamed for darkening paintings since their inception, however.

It's a fool's errand to cast blame on materials which cannot be identified specifically for their content and quality, and even moreso to condemn materials generically without full knowledge of the techniques for use which were employed.

There is not one single thing we paint with (or on) which cannot be misused to the point of causing failure.

Michele Rushworth 01-28-2007 01:21 AM

I don't paint in a layered technique and I do use Titanium white. When I work with flake white it feels like I'm painting with skim milk.

The biggest issue I have is with black areas that seem to take forever to dry, especially with official portraits (in which the subject is often wearing a black suit) that often have firm deadlines.

Allan Rahbek 01-28-2007 09:02 AM

Michele,
I also have to use Titanium White since lead is out of the marked here.
I always add some dryer to my medium ( I consider a medium being a mix of oil, turps and dryer )
I don't think that the small amounts of metal salts: lead, cobalt or manganese, that is required to accelerate the drying will affect the color, or cause darkening / yellowing of the paint.

The problem, as I have experienced it, is that we want the dark colors to stay transparent and therefore add more oil if the oil "sink" and leave the surface matte.
If the drying process is too slow then the oil will keep on sinking and we will keep on oiling out with the result of darkening the colors because of too much oil on the surface.
In other words it is the oil and not the pigment that causes darkening.

Over time the paint will get more transparent, so all supports should be primed in white. That would balance the expected darkening of the oils.
The white priming will do the job whatever or not we begin the painting with a wash of darker paint or not.

Richard Bingham 01-28-2007 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Michele Rushworth
. . . flake white it feels like I'm painting with skim milk. . . black areas that seem to take forever to dry.

As with any other pigment, there are a lot of variations with differing pigment loads. Vasari flake is very good. Robert Doak offers a number of variations, SP is also very high quality. Naturally, flake is more transparent, while titanium is as opaque as one can find. Lead whites dry more rapidly, titanium is exceedingly slow.

Carbon blacks absorb much more oil than almost any other pigment. They also tend to be slow driers. Prussian blue and the umbers naturally contain manganese compounds, and dry rapidly. Mixes of the two can provide a rapid drying "black" that's almost as dark as carbon blacks from the tube.

George Holmes 01-29-2007 04:09 PM

If you haven't yet, try copal medium, I've had luck with Grumbacher; but I'm not familiar with other brands to know if they're similar. Speeds drying, but not as fast as Liquin.

Richard Bingham 01-29-2007 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by George Holmes
. . . try copal medium, . . . Grumbacher; Speeds drying, but not as fast as Liquin.

Last time I examined a bottle of Grumbacher "copal medium", alkyd resin was the active ingredient. No copal was harmed in the making of this product.

Liquin and other alkyd preparations do hasten the drying rate of oil paint. Delamination can be a consequence of using alkyd mediums in layered techniques, however.

Opting for resin mediums (copals, balsams, damar, mastic etc.) the unique handling character imparted to paint by each of these is more of a consideration than drying time alone.

George Holmes 01-30-2007 12:51 PM

Richard, thanks for setting me straight on the imitation copal.

Richard Bingham 01-30-2007 01:46 PM

My pleasure, George. I hope to offend no one, it seems passions can run high when mediums and painting additives are discussed. There is more mis-information at large than truth, and the whole subject is a minefield for painters.

Add to this the fact that many high-quality standby materials (those " . . . tried and true . . . used for generations . . . " Michele requested) have been out of use by mainstream art materials suppliers for some time, and are becoming ever more scarce and difficult to obtain.

Examples: linseed oil has been supplanted by safflower oil as the vehicle in most tube paint, not because it results in superior paint, but because it is inexpensive, and readily available in vast quantities as its main application is in the fast food industry.

Pure gum spirits of turpentine is practically impossible to obtain, where at one time it was a common hardware-store or paint store item. The currently available foul-smelling stuff is steam distilled from stumps and forest waste, rather than fractionally distilled from pure sap tapped from living conifers. There is a world of difference in quality.

The natural and fossil resins have been supplanted by petrochemicals such as alkyds in the production of commercial paints and varnishes. Again, availability and low cost is the driving force behind their introduction into art materials, supplanting traditional resins such as copal, damar, venice turps, balsam, mastic etc., etc.

With a track-record of 500+ years of durably provable techniques, it seems to me there is little reason to re-invent the process of oil painting by employing synthetics and different materials that lack this provenance.

David Carroll 01-31-2007 05:10 AM

Hi Michelle,

Garrett's copal heavey medium works well for accelerating drying. I've used it and like it. It Creates a beutiful shiny paint layer. If you call, Ron will talk with you about how to best use his products, and answer any questions you have. he's a very nice man. He will also probably send you a test sample if you asked for one. His copal products are very highly regarded.

http://www.garrettcopal.com/prod_hist.htm

The umber and p/b sounds real good too, especially if you don't want to add medium into your process. Sometimes I add a little OH titanium white (doesn't contain zinc white) into flake to make it more opaque. It sort of splits the difference.

Studioproducts.com sells High Quality mediums and materials and provides a forum with loads of info.

The more mediums I try the more I like to just paint with paint. It seems the only real concensus I've seen regarding the achival quality of oil paint is that anything added to the paint reduces it's archival permanance. Maybe Richard can share his knowladge on this point as this is just what I have read.

I hope this helped a little.

Peace,

Richard Monro 01-31-2007 11:20 AM

Michelle,

It is important to get some authoritaive advice on this subject in as much as most of what has been offered so far, while well intentioned, is opinion.

I suggest Ralph Mayer's "The Artist's handbook of Materials and Techniques" be referenced to find your answer. It is authorative, technically sound and thoroughly researched. Every artist should have a copy in their studio.

For instance, copal is a varnish not a drying medium, and copal has its own special archival concerns. Mayer's research will set matters straight for you.

Richard Bingham 01-31-2007 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Monro
. . . most of what has been offered so far, while well intentioned, is opinion . . .

Unfortunately, when advice on paint additives is requested, all answers are opinions regardless what facts, inaccuracies or good intentions entail. Definitive answers require the individual painter to acquire adequate knowledge through study, experience and testing to make pragmatic decisions as to which materials are compatible with his/her art.

Mayer's compendium is useful. It is not the final arbiter of questions about mediums and paint additives. His blanket condemnation of copal mediums in particular requires background. I am disposed to accept a wider viewpoint; I studied with Frederick Taubes, and grew up reading "Studio Secrets" and his Q/A tech page in "American Artist" long before Ralph Mayer held forth in that publication.

Taubes' technical knowledge resulted from extensive analysis and testing throughout a lifetime of concentrated study and interest in painting materials and methods. He favored the use of copal, and made varnishes and mediums of exceptional quality at a time when finer grades of Congo Copal were available. These were marketed through Permanent Pigments (now Liquitex). Apparently personal rancor existed between Mssrs. Taubes and Mayer, whose motives for condemning copal and its use may have been inspired by a desire to rankle Mr. Taubes rather than from strictly objective analyses. Consequently, certain of Mr. Mayer's pronouncements also qualify as opinion.

Michele Rushworth 01-31-2007 03:16 PM

I have heard second hand that a nationally known portrait artist uses Gamblin's Galkyd. Any thoughts on that?

Richard Bingham 01-31-2007 04:45 PM

Thoughts I have pertain only to alkyd materials, not who uses them. I have known a number of artists with national reputations whose work is superlative, whose materials choices and application methods I sometimes find worrisome from my own experience. It's tough to abuse either to the point of failure in a very short time, however, and after all, it's what the work looks like that interests the patron, not how, or with what.

Alkyd resin is a synthetic material derived from the combination of an acid and alcohol. The initial nomenclature reflected this, "al-cid" and later became "alkyd". The discovery was first applied to automotive utility coatings in the mid-1930's (DuPont's DuLux). Fast drying, tougher than nitrocellulose lacquer used well into the 1950's, it remains a staple for commercial and utility applications.

Used to advantage in oil painting where the work is completed wet-in-wet in one sitting, it should pose no particular problems. An alkyd medium mixed in colors, then subsequently over-painted stands a possibility of de-laminating. The addition of drying oils to alkyd vehicles makes fresh applications painted over dry films especially prone to separation unless the dry layer is abraded to provide a mechanical "key" for bonding (i.e., "sand between coats"). This is because surface-dry layers of alkyd paints do not fuse with fresh paint through solvent transfers and resulting chemical bonds as natural resins permit.

Again, why "mess" with a system that (with all its possibilities and complexities) has worked for 500 years? It will require another 100 years to find out if alkyds are better or worse than anything that has been used in previous centuries.

Michele Rushworth 01-31-2007 05:29 PM

Everything I've read (both here and elsewhere) makes me think I'm still better off just continuing to use paint straight from the tube, as I have been for the past several years.

A different nationally known artist told me he accellerates the drying of his paintings by using a space heater and a fan. Seems safer than a lot of the different mediums and additives that are out there!

David Carroll 01-31-2007 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Monro
Michelle,

For instance, copal is a varnish not a drying medium, and copal has its own special archival concerns. Mayer's research will set matters straight for you.


True, but I suggested this medium as an example of a medium that has been around for generations, and also speeds drying. Ron is second generation maker of this stuff and I believe that it is made from the recipe and production process that Taubes employed and passed down to his students. There is however the difference of a less hard copal available today as compared to the original. In my experience it will accelerate drying, usually I can over paint in a day or two. But I live in the southwest and everything drys faster here, plus I usually use a lead white. Also of note on this stuff, It is a cooked combo of copal resin, stand oil, and turpentine. If you are sensitive to turps you will want to avoid it.

Just my opinion :bewildere

Peace,

Richard Bingham 01-31-2007 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Michele Rushworth
. . . think I'm still better off just continuing to use paint straight from the tube . . . accelerate drying . . . by using a space heater and a fan. Seems safer than a lot of the different mediums and additives that are out there!

So long as your paint is high quality, there's no question that's a sound approach. Paint definitely dries faster when it's warm and dry, and air movement speeds up the process, so controlling the studio environment to hasten drying time is certainly an option.

The biggest problem for those who buy mediums is assuring the quality and contents of "store-bought" mediums. (e.g. the "imitation" copal medium mentioned above) As far as "safety", we tend to do a lot of hand-wringing over "archival permanence", but the truth is that it's really, really hard to force painting materials and mediums into failure. Even the worst materials and practices generally have to age 50 to 80 years to become visibly obvious.

Speaking of copal, the term is as non-specific as saying "use apples". There are a number of resins collected commercially from Mexico, Central America, Africa and Indonesia all identified as "copal" although different species have quite different characteristics. Congo copal was the standard for clarity and hardness in the days when natural resins were used to manufacture the bulk of varnishes used for home and commercial finishes. Owing to the on-going political strife in that region of Africa, it hasn't been commercially available for many years.


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