Ethics and art - Page 2

Allan Rahbek · 11-05-2004, 04:09 PM

Kim,

Think of it this way: When you post a picture on unveiling you never know how it will be accepted and you have maybe thought of sending it to a competition.

If you get a VERY positive respond you maybe feel more certain that this is OK and send it. Is

Kimberly Dow · 11-05-2004, 04:33 PM

Allan -

If you get a good response - you're not going to change it are you? This isn't about competitions having a problem with 'reactions' to your work - it's about the artist getting help with the piece. Whether it is loved or hated, it is still mine. If I get comments that are geared towards getting me to fix parts of it - and then I do fix parts from someone else's guidance - then that is where a competition could have a problem with it. It is the area of ownership - who created this work.

And I think most would agree - even small changes from others critiques does not change the fact that it is your painting, but what if you run into a judge that disagrees? It is not worth taking a chance.

Allan Rahbek · 11-05-2004, 05:05 PM

Kim,

When my daughter was small she was crazy with horses. She wanted to go horse riding, and did so.

I remember a situation with one other little girl, at the school, riding a horse. Suddenly she asked; Tell me, who is actually deciding where the horse is going? She was sitting on top of it !

What I mean is that you know for your self if you painted that painting. If you cheated you will know. I know that you didn't and expect to see your paintings on future exhibitions.

Allan

Kimberly Dow · 11-05-2004, 07:37 PM

Allan,

No, I did not cheat. I believe changes I have made from critiques here are so minor no one could question it. I am just planning on not taking that chance in the future.

Marvin Mattelson · 11-05-2004, 09:52 PM

It is my belief that whenever you submit a painting to a show you should list, on the entry form, the name of each and every person who commented on your painting. If you win, everyone's name should be credited on the award itself and all cash prizes should be equally split between all commentors. Anyone commenting more than once should be entitled to additional compensation. In the spirit of non equitable generosity I am hereby waiving any compensation for making this suggestion.

Kimberly Dow · 11-05-2004, 11:51 PM

Marvin -

Have I mentioned how much I like your portrait of Sylvia? (cha-ching!)
That portrait of Mr. Fishbach is OK also, I suppose. (cha-ching!)
Oh! And the one of Eric - lovely! (cha-ching!)

I don't take personal checks, but a money order would be fine. That's Kimberly, K-I-M-B-E-R-L-Y.

I owe people here ...hmmm...with the award money I have won this year...approximately .24 cents each, but Sharon I owe $1.73.

Claudemir Bonfim · 11-06-2004, 09:11 AM

I understand your preoccupation about the subject, but no matter how many suggestions you get here, you decide which ones are valuable and which ones aren

Linda Brandon · 11-06-2004, 07:05 PM

Hi Kim,

I think that you're confusing the solicitation of opinion with asking for actual advice. I would argue that advice is something that you pay for; therefore, advice from, say, a workshop teacher is "advice" and other comments would be "opinion". I think that everything on the Forum constitutes "opinion", not "advice". In any event you're not compelled to take any recommendations from anybody and in many cases taking somebody's opinion would make a painting worse, not better. No artist can live in a vacuum and do great work, and nobody should expect them to.

Just thinking out loud here... just my opinion.

Sharon Knettell · 11-06-2004, 07:15 PM

I sincerely believe, that they probably mean work that is being done, "under supervision" in a local mental health facility under the nervous eyes of medical professionals, as a form of art therapy, now currently in vogue.

If you are in fact happily dabbling away unchaperoned in your own studio, I would not worry too much.

As a matter of fact, Marvin told me Alicia Blue's ankles were too fat, when he saw her in Boston. I fixed them and now I have an interested client. Do you think I should give Marvin a percentage?

Marvin Mattelson · 11-06-2004, 09:07 PM

Sharon, at least 75% to be fair. My reasoning is as follows: what chance does a person have of standing on their own with problematic ankles? Therefore what chance is there of a painting standing on it's own with ankle problems? I'm not gonna haggle over a few percentage points. Please make it payable to "fineartportrait." No personal checks please!