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Old 12-17-2008, 08:15 PM   #1
Claudemir Bonfim Claudemir Bonfim is offline
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You're getting better and better.

In the introductions section you mentioned how you like intense colors. I agree with the suggestions you received, these guys in the forum are great, but even if you don't change anything it still looks good. It reminds me of Frans Hals, with intense colors of course.

Keep on doing this good job.
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:24 PM   #2
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Great job buddy! I don't think the problem is necessarily the intensity of the background but the value to the right of her head, which I think is too light. Secondly, the background color would have more influence over the shadows via reflected light. In the future you should set up the background colors you want to have in your painting when you take your reference photos.
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Old 12-20-2008, 01:45 AM   #3
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These are truly valuable comments/suggestions.
I thank you you Richard, Alexandra, Carol, Claude, and my friend Marvin, very much.

I have been struggling in the past few months with this portrait, yet it's very dear to me. I have changed colors many times to see if I would be satisfied with it, but never reached to the point I wanted it.

Yes, the background's chroma seems a little intense, but since I wasn't sure about how to develop it, I ended up keeping it the way I did it the first time when I applied colors overall (the initial emotion, applied through visible heavy strokes which later as time went, got smaller and finer.) But I do agree that it has to change a little bit and I have started working on it.

The shadows on the flesh seem dark, and i agree with Alexandra that I must introduce a bit more color, and keep in mind the reflected light from the background (Marvin). The main problem with this painting: I am working off photographs, and unfortunately have remained somehow loyal to the values shown on the photos. I've tried to recreate the same environment and have Sonia pose, but I haven't been very successful with it. Meanwhile paint has been accumulating and dried over sensitive areas and I might have lost the smooth surface on the face.

I am also aware that the hands and forehead need some work, and after your comments I am sure I will and up with a much better piece.
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Old 12-20-2008, 01:49 AM   #4
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I uploaded above the images I worked from, so it could be easier to see the errors and flaws of this painting.

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Old 12-20-2008, 12:16 PM   #5
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Hi there... I think you also could do some minor drawing corrections.

Try to to turn the painting and the photos upside-down and you'll see clearly what I mean.

Check the forehead, the lips, specially the lower one, her right eyebrow, the position of the chin, the distance between the year and the center or other face features, her head is more oval and the background reflects a lot more not only on the shadows, but on the whole figure. Check the values and cast shadow on her left arm. The cast shadow on the corner of her mouth is too strong, on the other hand, the cast shadows bellow her nose and on her ear are too weak. The same happens to the reflected lights, some are weak (cheek), some are too strong (ex. neck). Double check the catch lights too.

But... remember, that's a great painting already.

All the best to you.
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Old 12-20-2008, 03:20 PM   #6
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Filadi,

Just a word of caution. You have captured something magical in her expression that is even more appealing than the photos. Making minor corrections to make the painting more technically correct may ruin the magic you have created.

Sometimes the hardest thing for an artist to do is to know when to stop. STOP! Don't touch the face. Learn from the experience and move on. The only adjustment I would make is to gray the yellow in the background. This is a really interesting and appealing painting that draws the viewer into it. It really doesn't need anything else.
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:32 PM   #7
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Hi Flladi,
I like the composition very much and also the colors.

I think that you should lower the value of the eyelid to the right (her left eye), it seems to come forward in stead of , gradually, be turning into the shadow area.
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Old 12-21-2008, 10:24 PM   #8
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Cash in on her gaiety, and nothing else

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Filadi,
Just a word of caution. You have captured something magical in her expression that is even more appealing than the photos. Making minor corrections to make the painting more technically correct may ruin the magic you have created.
Indeed, I second Richard's notion on the magic of this painting.
This is a beautiful girl, at the height of her youthful spring. The painting does not bring out the maximum potential of that youth. So to be more precise with Richard's comments, my gripe on the magic is with the eyebrows, and the treatment to the bosoms.

The former brings out a subtle 'evilness' in her...with that smile it has that smirk that sends a cold message. The bosom, at the same time, also brings about a suggestive message.The shade that is shown on the photograph does just that, and it's a good direction.

I believe toning it down both areas by softening the former, and by greying the bosom area - much like what you see in the photo - will stub that sexual innuendo, while at the same time serving avantage of bringing out the necklace as well as redirecting attention to her face.

With these points i can see a magnificent work of art true to the beautiful model.
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Old 12-26-2008, 03:27 AM   #9
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Filadi,

Just a word of caution. You have captured something magical in her expression that is even more appealing than the photos. Making minor corrections to make the painting more technically correct may ruin the magic you have created.

Sometimes the hardest thing for an artist to do is to know when to stop. STOP! ....
Friends,
I apologize for not getting back to the forum a little earlier , but with Christmas and everything else, little time is left for browsing the net...

I truly appreciate everyone's comments and time they took to write and offer help. I feel very humbled and privileged! Thank you Bonfim, Richard, Allan, Chris, and Marcus, as well as Alexandra, Carol, and Marvin,and please excuse my belated reply to your comments!

I realize this this painting before is completed will be over worked, so I will try to correct the obvious flaws that have bothered me before I received everyone's critiquing (which pointed at and emphasized exactly those flaws and more)

I won't be wasting anyone's time with words, now!
I will get back to work keeping, in mind the valuable information gathered here and will post the new image as soon as it is ready

Once again, THANK YOU ALL very much!

Happy Holidays!

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