Speak to me about yellow. . . .

[Richard Budig]

I see several folks who mix a dark(er) yellow using raw umber. They start with raw umber, and bit of yellow ochre, and continue lightening with yellow ochre for a step or two, and then begin lightening yellow ochre with white. It works well, but can anyone explain why?

It doesn't seem like it would happen this way, but when you use this really "dark" version of yellow with a red, you get a really dull orange, so I guess the yellow component is there, hiding in that dark mix.

I would appreciate anything anyone can tell me about this, or any other curious mixture.

[Linda Brandon]

Richard, I use yellow ochre as my flesh "mother color" and it is wonderful to use it to lighten darker colors (i.e., shadows) without colors going chalky (as they would if you lightened with a white). (You lose transparency, though.)

I'm also interested in how other painters do this, and thanks for bringing this up.

[Allan Rahbek]

Richard,
Raw Umber is basically a dark yellow. If you want to darken a yellow with black you need to add some red to prevent it to turn greenish.
Just like Terra De Sienna is a dark orange and Indian Red is a dark red.
Allan

[Claudemir Bonfim]

I like to mix a scales of Raw Umber, Raw Sienna, Yellow Ochre, Yellow of Napoles and mixed White. Then I add Cerulian Blue to get it cooler, Ultramarine Blue to get it darker (I never use Black); and Cad Reds to get it warmer.
Ps. I never mix Yellow of Napoles with Cerulian Blue because it contains sulfur. I love Alizarin Crimson, but it gets brown with time.

[Alexandra Tyng]

Hi Richard,

I am very aware that raw umber is considered a yellow, but for the life of me I do not understand why. Maybe if you compare it to burnt umber, or burnt siena, it's less red, but I think classifying it as a yellow is just a way of forcing it into a category instead of appreciating it for what it is: a cool earth tone.

I tried some mixtures along the lines of what you describe, and I think it is the yellow ochre mixed with the red that is creating the orange, while the raw umber is creating the dullness. By itself, mixed with just white, raw umber is a warm neutral, or a cool brown-grey.

Alex

[Allan Rahbek]

Originally Posted by Alexandra Tyng

I am very aware that raw umber is considered a yellow, but for the life of me I do not understand why.

I guess that it was a question of color family relations more than the degree of it ?
I have learned that there are only three totally different colors, blue, red and yellow and that all other colors are mixtures from them + more or less light.
I still believe that the Raw Umber belongs to the yellow family. To prove my point I have put up mixtures of blue, red and yellow. The Raw Umber is only mixed with Titanium White but stil shows the yellow characteristic, I think.

Allan

[Alexandra Tyng]

Hey, Allan, I didn't mean to start an argument! I guess it is a matter of perception. I know that to many people, raw umber looks like it is in the yellow family. You are probably in the majority here. But to me, when I look at it, all I see is a neutral earthy tone. When I think of yellow, I think of sunlight and warmth. But raw umber is dull, opaque, and rather cool to my eye. Don't get me wrong, I respect your perception of it, but as hard as I try I can't see it! I guess that's why different artists use different colors.

Alex

[Carlos Ygoa]

I agree with Alexandra. The umbers should just be classified as earth tones..."tierra de sombra" is the name for umber here (earth shadow?). I don