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11-12-2004, 10:34 PM
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Using client photos for other projects
Recently I did a reference photo shoot of a young girl for a commission. I have a business relationship with her and her family; they are not relatives or close friends.
The pose I picked for her portrait is a close-up, but I also took scores of pictures of her running across a sunlit field with her kite. While reviewing them, it occurred to me that a number of the longer shots would translate very well into figuratives; they might even make a series. Some of the pictures I'd like to use were taken close enough that a faithful rendering would be recognizable, and some are from farther away.
Has anyone here done this sort of thing? What legal bases should I make sure to cover? Should I prepare a specific model release? My husband suggests that I just add a clause to the portrait commission contract (not yet signed) that says I can use the photos for other purposes than the specific commission and leave it at that.
That doesn't seem adequate to me, and I don't want to sneak it through, obviously. I want to make it clear to the parents what I plan to use the photos for so that they won't be surprised or upset.
I'd probably phrase it in as flattering a manner as possible ("These were such nice pictures of your daughter that they really inspired me") without giving them the idea that they ought to be compensated for the additional use! I could certainly offer them prints of the finished paintings as a gift or something like that. But I don't want them to get spooked in some way or otherwise complicate the process.
I'd love to hear any suggestions you may have!
Laura Shelley
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11-13-2004, 03:53 AM
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This is just me, but I would go over and have them sign a standard model release form - and if they do not want to - then do not do them. It should be two separate contracts - one for the commission and another for modeling and the use of the photos for your own figuratives.
There is a huge gap in a person's thinking - being a client who hired the artist and being a possible model for a separate painting. You have to please your client and that is one of the basics of your relationship. With a model they sign away all rights and have no say at all. If you try to do both at the same time - it might be confusing for the client.... they might want a say in what photos you can and can't use. If you really want to - I'd wait until your commission is finished and delivered, then approach them about it.
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11-13-2004, 09:23 AM
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PHOTOGRAPHY MODERATOR SOG Member '03 Finalist Taos SOPA '03 HonMen SoCal ASOPA '03 Finalist SoCal ASOPA '04 Finalist Taos SOPA
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Has anyone here done this sort of thing? What legal bases should I make sure to cover? Should I prepare a specific model release? My husband suggests that I just add a clause to the portrait commission contract (not yet signed) that says I can use the photos for other purposes than the specific commission and leave it at that.
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I have two separate documents -- a model release and a contract. When a commission is contemplated, I require one third down at the time the reference photos are taken. When you take money there should be a contract signed and a receipt given. Separate from that, if you take photos there should be a model release signed. This release gives you full rights to the images whether a commission goes forward or not. If there is compensation for those rights thats another issue to be dealt with.
You seem to be behind the curve on both of these. If I were you I would bring a model release with me and have them sign it separately from the contract. It is these documents that speak for your right to use the images. I don't like the idea of going back hat in hand and asking permission. What if they say no, will you be OK with that? If they sign the release the matter should be closed.
For this time only I would incorporate the model release into the contract as if it were page 3 of 3. Then I would present it with a smile on my face and not a lot of explanation about what I may or may not end up doing with my rights.
If it all goes wrong at the time of signing it would have probably gone wrong anyway.
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11-13-2004, 10:36 AM
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Mike and Kim, what wording do you have in your model's releases that talks about the kind of work that is to be created? Mine specifically talks about rights to use the photos for "a portrait" but I'd like to have it cover any future uses, too.
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11-13-2004, 10:49 AM
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PHOTOGRAPHY MODERATOR SOG Member '03 Finalist Taos SOPA '03 HonMen SoCal ASOPA '03 Finalist SoCal ASOPA '04 Finalist Taos SOPA
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I'm sure this was procured from some other generous artist.
In part is reads like this:
I agree and consent that Tom Gump and his nominees and assigns may use any motion pictures, still photographs, or videotape recordings taken of: ________, on or about ______, 20__.
I do grant the use of any reproduction thereof, in any form, style or color, together with any writing and/or other advertising and/or publicity material in connection therewith.
I understand that my talents and/or services and any related advertising and publicity material may be used in connection with Tom Gump Portrait Art.
This consent and release is given by me without limitations upon any use for projections, playback, reprints, rerun, broadcast, telecast, Internet transmission, web site, display or publication of any kind, including the advertising and publicity connected therein. I also agree that the originals and copies there from shall be and remain the exclusive property of Tom Gump Portrait Art or its nominees and assigns.
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11-13-2004, 11:05 AM
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Thanks!
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