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yes, I seem to be wanting to build a structure of perhaps lead white , black, red(not sure which red yet, maybe burnt sienna), and yellow ochre, maybe some umbers, and then scrub the color into the texture. I don't know yet. More experiments yet to do. It's not totally a monochrome grisaille but a toned down version of what the painting will be after I scrub in the little bits of oily color where it needs it, after the structure is in place and no major changes are needed.
I should try the cremnitz white,burnt sienna, yellow ochre, ivory black thing for awhile and see what turns up.
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