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Tim!
You're right, there's always a "yeah but" group. There's also a "let's be clear what we're talking about" group.
Guess I feel we might all learn something if we clarify what we mean, rather than making assertions and going round in circles.
What do YOU think are the elements of successful drawing?
I'd say we need to talk about more than "getting it right" What about quality of line, use of medium, deliberate alterations. Have you looked at Botticelli's Venus lately? Is it anatomically correct? Does that matter or not?
Is it worth being as ruthless with the "great masters" as we might be with more recent painters?Or are certain people immune from all analysis? Did El Greco make a terrible blunder when he elongated bodies? Are the eyes in Leonardo's paintings "wrong", or did people look like that in the fifteenth century? Think about it. You might be surprised what happens.
Just out of interest, could Giacometti draw? Henry Moore? Rodin? Were their drawings done for a purpose? What was it?
Incidentally, I worked in an opera house for four years and I can tell you that singing deliberately off the note is one of the hardest things of all to do, for a trained singer. There is in fact a scene in "Der Rosenkavalier" where exactly that is required, and its successful accomplishment draws generous applause, because it is known to be so difficult.
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