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Old 07-28-2003, 03:57 PM   #1
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Old Burnt Sienna




I am looking for an old tube of Winsor & Newton Burnt Sienna 103 SL Series 1, or Grumbacher Burnt Sienna PO23. These paints were made from calcined natural iron oxide. The W&N product was available as late as 1991.

I use burnt sienna as the basis for my flesh tone glaze. The synthetic iron oxide currently available does not have the same color or glazing characteristics.

If you have an old (partially used) tube you would consider selling, please contact me via e-mail.

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Old 01-21-2004, 10:32 PM   #2
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No, but . . .

No, I'm sorry, I don't have either of these, although I'm sure I've used them in the past. I go through lots of burnt sienna, also.

Have you ever used Rembrandt's Transparent Oxide Red? It's a lovely version of BS, but richer, a bit more red, and very transparent. A little pricey for me (I'm retired, living on cat food and a fixed income -- just kidding). It's around $9.50 a tube, but it's great stuff.

Also, I'm toying with the idea of trying Permalba's Alizarin Orange Permanent. However, I'm basing my idea of using it on a Permalba color chart that comes with their big tube of white, which I use regularly.

If you, or anyone, knows anything about the Permalba color, I'd like to hear about it. I love Rembrandt's TRO, but I go through it so fast.
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Old 01-22-2004, 12:07 AM   #3
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I seem to recall that Old Holland's Deep Ochre is natural calcined iron oxide, but I'm not sure. I don't happen to have a tube of it right now to check, though.
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Old 01-23-2004, 11:59 AM   #4
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Michele, the Old Holland product is natural calcined iron oxide, but it's just not the same as the old W&N product.

Richard, I'll have to try the Rembrandt red oxide you mentioned.

Cat food? That's one up on me. Ever tried birdseed flamb
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Old 01-23-2004, 02:26 PM   #5
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Bee's Knees . . .

Scott:

Birdseed flambe, no, but bee's knees . . . delicious.

Seriously, I think you'll like transparent oxid red from Remb.

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Old 01-23-2004, 03:28 PM   #6
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Gamblin's Burnt Sienna is calcined natural iron oxide. It might be easier to find a substitute than the Winsor Newton, if they stopped making it 13 years ago.
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Old 01-23-2004, 09:10 PM   #7
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Scott, your request sent me to my old paint box. I actually did find a twisted up old tube of W&N Burnt Sienna, but in the words of George Thorogood, it was b-b-b-bad to the bone.

How about a big tube of Utrecht Burnt Sienna? The 'statement of contents' on the back says 'calcined raw sienna'.

As for me, I like Gamblin's Transparent Oxide Red.
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Old 01-24-2004, 10:08 AM   #8
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Linda, you must resuscitate that burnt sienna for me. Go to a faith healer, go to Yuri Geller, but get me that burnt sienna. My life depends on it.

George Thorogood you say? Does he play in the Pittsburg Symphony string section?
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Old 01-24-2004, 08:34 PM   #9
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Dearest Scott, you must learn to be FLEXIBLE. I hate to be the one to nail the lid on your coffin.

To paraphrase Woody Allen, not only is the paint bad, to make matters worse, there is so little of it left. That tube is just plain DOA.
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Old 01-26-2004, 07:31 PM   #10
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I have two tubes . . .

Finally got around to looking through my supply chests and find I have at least two tubes of Grumbacher burnt sienna.

One is Pre Tested, and the other is Academy (student stuff), both are made of calcined natural iron oxide. The Pre Tested tube is the P023 of which you speak.

I can't believe it's that hard to find. I order this stuff from Dixie Art (they have a web site) all the time.
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