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Old 11-03-2005, 07:22 PM   #1
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Those darn sunken in areas




I know this is a different subject but I have been so discouraged.

It seems that I continually have those areas (after completing the painting) that still look dry, sunken in, just plain unlike the rest of the painting. I use my own mixture of turp,damar and linseed for a medium. Only I use it VERY sparingly. I put Damar for a final varnish. Lately I have been using Gamblin's Gamar varnish.

What can I do to prevent those sunken in areas-they look terrible?

Your ideas are appreciated

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Old 11-03-2005, 10:43 PM   #2
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Hi Pat,
I wonder if your "sunken areas" mean those dry matte patches that appear at random areas of your paintings? I share the same problem, and i find they are like wild mushrooms, popping up when and where they like it!
But i realized that after the painting's dry, i spray retouch varnish to give it that even sheen...that does solve the problem temporarily for me. And six months' down the road, i'll be able to put up that more permanent varnish on the paintings.
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:52 PM   #3
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Thanks Marcus, and I too have done what you have suggested. One of my problems is that sometimes I have sold the portrait and it is already varnished. I still see some of these places and by then it is too late to do anything after it is in the hands of the client.

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Old 11-03-2005, 10:58 PM   #4
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Well, it's true that it's beyond us once the painting's been sold.
A curator once shared that we could include some tips and pointers on our sales receipt, to let them know that the painting's new at the time of sales. And that we can recommend x-brand / x-formula of varnishing to be done by a professional to lengthen their passion for your painting.
I wonder if this is a good tip?
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Old 11-03-2005, 11:08 PM   #5
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There are some sound observations and good tips in this thread from a couple of pages back, That Old Sinkin' Feeling.

There is some mention in there of just getting rid of the culprit pigments. Peggy Baumgaertner, for example, talks in her videos about having done just that.

I've had my best luck here with just rubbing linseed oil over the area with my fingertip, then wiping off the "extra."
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Old 11-04-2005, 04:26 AM   #6
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Oh wow steve, the linseed trick works huh? i should have tried that before going for the retouch...thanks for sharing!
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Old 01-31-2006, 08:45 AM   #7
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If areas are sinking consistently, that means you didn't use enough medium in those places. You may use a retouch varnish, after the fact. Since retouch varnishes usually contain Damar, some prefer to mix up their own oiling-out medium instead. Take your normal media, in my case, 1 part Stand Oil/ 2 1/2 parts turp. Mix up a media twice as lean, 1S/5T. Use that to oil her out. The faded colors should instantly come right out.
Wait at least a year before applying final varnish. I've been led to believe that another layer of paint ought not be put over the final varnish.
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I spray with retouch varnish, but the only one on the market that still "works" is Blair. You need to do some research on Blair, because I hear they are discontinuing it. Jerry's had it the last I looked. Steven is right, you really should not be painting over a varnished painting. If you find you must repaint (......when I get that feeling, I go lie down until the feeling goes away....), the varnish needs to be completely removed before new paint can be applied. At that point, you are getting into a major archival area, and can seriously mess up your painting. Better to wait two or three years to varnish, so you know there will be no corrections. I spray with retouch varnish (Blair) before the painting goes out.

If I find I need to make a correction after I've varnished, I remove the old varnish (it takes hours, cotton swabs, clean cotton cloth, turp, and tremendous patience), apply the paint, and spray with retouch varnish....and pray....

You cannot varnish twice.
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If areas are sinking consistently, that means you didn't use enough medium in those places. You may use a retouch varnish, after the fact. Since retouch varnishes usually contain Damar, some prefer to mix up their own oiling-out medium instead. Take your normal media, in my case, 1 part Stand Oil/ 2 1/2 parts turp. Mix up a media twice as lean, 1S/5T. Use that to oil her out. The faded colors should instantly come right out.
Wait at least a year before applying final varnish. I've been led to believe that another layer of paint ought not be put over the final varnish.

Wait a year for a final varnish ..... Do you work this out with your client to get the painting back for final varnish? What is your process here if you dont mind me asking?
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